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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 13:13

EsmaCannonball · 08/03/2025 13:09

IIRC, Nisha Katona was a barrister before becoming a restaurateur. She's got substance and authenticity, unlike you-know-who.

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Yes, isn't she? I agree. With a lovely down to earth manner as well. Quite the opposite of Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex.

pursuitOfSomething · 08/03/2025 13:19

They could be the worst reviewed adverts ever….doesnt matter. It’s just if the products sell.

Interesting and possibly true.

However potentially a problem for NF as many subscibers - like us who pay the subscription for their service but are increaisngly narked shows we like are being canceled while they do ads for products.

AutumnCrowRoyale · 08/03/2025 13:27

Yeah, we know what happens to companies who spend too much resource to chase after new customers and forget about their existing customer base. Loyalty ain’t what it used to be.

Moonlightdust · 08/03/2025 13:32

It’s all self promoted nauseating drivel. Incredibly twee and outdated IMO but if people enjoy it then good for them.

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 14:08

Noticed that the home at which she filmed the show- have renamed their home Monticeto Orchard Private estate a few weeks ago and it’s for private rent. They use blurb like ‘American riveria’. Filming wrapped in January seemingly. Then the home was renamed.

Would Meghan likely film there again, when it looks like they are trying to profit from the ARO name? I’m not sure.

Maybe they have no intention to film there again?

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JADS · 08/03/2025 14:16

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 12:49

There was one black guest- Tracey Robbins, the wife of the paramount CEO

Whos idea? Not sure. I don’t Meghan came up with it. I think she pitched a normal cooking show. She’s always wanted that and she spent much of 2015/16 promoting herself as a cook to try and get one. I think NF didn’t see any value in that, as she has no skills and has never been known for her expertise in the lifestyle arena. It won’t bring in subscriptions.

Maybe they’ve had the streamer shopping idea for a while? They’ve seen how SM shopping has boomed over the last 2 years and wanted a piece of the action? Meghan was nearing her contract end and desperate to get something. Maybe she thought she could sell it as a lifestyle/cooking show so agreed. She’s still pretending that it’s a show, when we all know it’s an advert. NF thought they can’t sell her as a proper cook but they can sell her enviable lifestyle. They can make money off selling the lifestyle merch.

Also there were rumours last year that WME was working on a QVC deal. Now it was probably nonsense, but the reason why it tracts is probably because it sounds like something she would do (stoop to). Turns out that’s exactly who she is.

How Harry isn’t embarrassed and why he’s letting his kids childhoods be sold for insta likes is beyond me.

Thank you. That makes sense.

It doesn't matter whether Meghan is showing her kids faces or not. She is still using them as PR as does Harry. He now has his "as a dad" line in his speeches. Given that the Waleses have been pasted for this, it's another bit of hypocrisy to add to their previous rants.

I would really interesting to see what is in the "second" series. I thought 8 episodes was over egging the pudding. I can't see what other bodged attempts at cooking and crafts we will see.

Onlyonekenobe · 08/03/2025 14:17

so if it's not background racism, then what is it? The only other thing I can think of is some deep-seated form of personal jealousy

I'll tell you what sparked it off for me. In the early days of the pandemic, when zooms to group audiences were just becoming a thing (zoom was just becoming a thing!) MM lectured a group of young schoolgirls on a group call about how they can do anything, that they're enough the way they are, that they should feel empowered and use their voices, that they can reach the highest heights if they believe in themselves and put in the work ... and that she herself is an example of that, that she too was once an ordinary schoolgirl like them and look at her now, they too can be like her (she didn't say "you can be a princess too if you believe hard enough", but she got very close to it).

She got where she was - ie in a position to lecture them, knowing full well that (I now think, because) the DM at least would publicise her lecture - because she slept with and married Harry. That's it. That is what got her to where she is. Plain old fashioned sex and marriage.

The hypocrisy and abuse of position was galling to me. I know that might sound extreme but I went to an extremely good girls' private school in the UK on a bursary. Poor at that time, but I was clever and I worked hard and was extremely fortunate to have a stable home and a nurturing and supportive home environment. Through hard work and sacrifice on the part of my parents, I went on to an amazing university, graduated second in my year, was accepted to every position I applied for as a graduate and, decades on now, I live a very, very comfortable life and am affording a similar upbringing for my children. I still give a hefty chunk of money every year to my alma mater's bursary fund. They knew how to empower me, educate me, paid for me and gave me what I needed to succeed. My headmistress used to lecture us in assembly the way MM was lecturing those girls in that zoom (but she was all substance and no style. The exact opposite of MM). Her girls, over the years, have gone on to some truly amazing things (including, in the arts, an actress and a chef who have been frequently quoted on these As Ever threads).

NONE of it involved sleeping with a specific man. It was hard graft, long hours, nose to the grind. Work. Not needing a man to give you your position. True female empowerment, earned through work.

From that point the scales fell from my eyes: this was a woman who got to the top by any means possible. I've met a few in my life. That's fine. I have more than a little admiration for women who use whatever they have to get where they want to get. Not everyone can benefit from the bursary/home life I did (I wish they could). But to LIE when you get there? To deceive young girls, with impressionable minds - unforgivable. And the worst of it was that she did this zoom to stay relevant, keep her profile as a do-gooding feminist elevated. She was using them. It was hypocritical, deceitful, ugly profiteering off of the innocent for personal gain.

None of the rest of it since has come as a surprise since. It's all been variations of that theme: Uvalde, lecturing people about voting, IG appearances, the podcast, the bullying claims, the disaster tourism, and now the show. It's all there, it's all the same thing. Yes, I want water to find its level when it comes to MM. I want those same young girls - I was one of them many moons ago - to see through her BS and not believe her lies and actually believe in themselves.

Sorry, long diatribe there. But hope that answers your question.

Onlyonekenobe · 08/03/2025 14:18

Oh gosh, very random italicizing there. Don't know how that happened! On the app so can't edit. Please ignore!

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 14:21

Thank you, @Onlyonekenobe . Good points, and well done on your merited success 👍.
I also find it annoying that Meghan is somehow portrayed as a successful woman. She went to a good private school, a good university, did some promos and acting...then married a rich prince.
That's it.

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 14:21

Onlyonekenobe · 08/03/2025 14:18

Oh gosh, very random italicizing there. Don't know how that happened! On the app so can't edit. Please ignore!

😂

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 14:22

JADS · 08/03/2025 14:16

Thank you. That makes sense.

It doesn't matter whether Meghan is showing her kids faces or not. She is still using them as PR as does Harry. He now has his "as a dad" line in his speeches. Given that the Waleses have been pasted for this, it's another bit of hypocrisy to add to their previous rants.

I would really interesting to see what is in the "second" series. I thought 8 episodes was over egging the pudding. I can't see what other bodged attempts at cooking and crafts we will see.

This ⬆️

JFDIYOLO · 08/03/2025 15:02

I think for Netflix to pick it up there will be an army of people and a mountain of research working in the background.

This is just the front of house. We'll never see what happens backstage.

And they will have identified the niche, tailored the products, angled the marketing and the language to capture the attention, keep the interest and spark the desire to buy in that particular set of people - who just don't happen to be you.

JoyousEagle · 08/03/2025 15:08

I would really interesting to see what is in the "second" series. I thought 8 episodes was over egging the pudding. I can't see what other bodged attempts at cooking and crafts we will see.

I think the Netflix announcement said it would be out in the autumn, and in the screenshot someone posted upthread Netflix said something about new As Ever products being released seasonally. So I would imagine season 2 will be autumn/winter foods to coincide with those products being for sale - cinnamon cookies, pumpkin stuff, thanksgiving & Christmas type food maybe, some fun kids' Christmas treats. With the hosting stuff focusing on holiday parties, gift wrapping etc.

Obviously I've no actual idea, that's just my guess.

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 15:15

I’d expect some condiments. She repeatly talks about them on the first 8 adverts but they haven’t been released yet.

Along with other packet mixes. She might jazz them up to make it look autumnal but the packet mix will be very basic.

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pursuitOfSomething · 08/03/2025 15:25

JFDIYOLO · 08/03/2025 15:02

I think for Netflix to pick it up there will be an army of people and a mountain of research working in the background.

This is just the front of house. We'll never see what happens backstage.

And they will have identified the niche, tailored the products, angled the marketing and the language to capture the attention, keep the interest and spark the desire to buy in that particular set of people - who just don't happen to be you.

It is possible they are trying to branch out from the over staturated streaming market place.

I'd have expected the website - even if only US based - to be ready to go with products as soon as the show aired. Though as PP said maybe they are waiting for pre-orders before buying stock but that does mean expecting people to be so excited they hang around to buy as it comes in.

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 15:28

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 15:15

I’d expect some condiments. She repeatly talks about them on the first 8 adverts but they haven’t been released yet.

Along with other packet mixes. She might jazz them up to make it look autumnal but the packet mix will be very basic.

Yes, I'm surprised that it's all very processed, packet food. Mind you, I think she'd struggle to cook in anything other than a very basic way.

IdaGlossop · 08/03/2025 15:31

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 15:15

I’d expect some condiments. She repeatly talks about them on the first 8 adverts but they haven’t been released yet.

Along with other packet mixes. She might jazz them up to make it look autumnal but the packet mix will be very basic.

The choice of product range seems bonkers to me. All the products we have seen so far are easily available elsewhere. As ever's will be overpriced. A range of household linens with a California vibe, and designed by a small group of California-based female textile designers, would have been so much better - not perishable; easier to store, pack and post; higher price point; more chance of multiple sales per customer; opportunity to donate a percentage to Archewell-supported causes; paving the way to a kids' clothing or quiet luxury fashion range (Meghan@Mango), or ceramics. So many possibilities.

My2cents1975 · 08/03/2025 15:50

Bridgerton Food Merch

MM is copying Shonda Rhimes (see link above). Bridgerton offers fantasy Duchesses mixes while MM will offer real Duchess mixes. (Call me Sussex!)

Releasing the 2nd half of the MM show in Fall 2025 makes sense as this is when the two Netflix House stores in Philadelphia and Dallas malls will open and theoretically have MM stock to sell, alongside merch from other Netflix shows. There will be an initial sales bump as every journalist/blogger/podcaster gets one to review, but repeat sales depend on 1) the actual quality of the product and 2) the likeability of the person selling the product.

All of the reviews were highly negative and crucially formerly supportive left-leaning papers and magazines turned on her. MM needs to actually listen to professional advice to reset if she wants to sell herself as a brand and out compete the juggernaut that is the Bridgerton brand.

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 08/03/2025 15:57

IdaGlossop · 08/03/2025 15:31

The choice of product range seems bonkers to me. All the products we have seen so far are easily available elsewhere. As ever's will be overpriced. A range of household linens with a California vibe, and designed by a small group of California-based female textile designers, would have been so much better - not perishable; easier to store, pack and post; higher price point; more chance of multiple sales per customer; opportunity to donate a percentage to Archewell-supported causes; paving the way to a kids' clothing or quiet luxury fashion range (Meghan@Mango), or ceramics. So many possibilities.

I don't think she can do linens, aprons or anything like that under "As Ever" because of the Chinese brand of the same name, and their TM over the name for items categorised as clothing/textiles. Why they didn't just TM the "With Love, Meghan" instead of a third, confusing name after ARO, is a mystery.

jeffgoldblum · 08/03/2025 15:59

Because I imagine she wanted something grandiose sounding that she could fashion a logo ( coat of arms knockoff) for !!
She terribly transparent.

IdaGlossop · 08/03/2025 16:04

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 08/03/2025 15:57

I don't think she can do linens, aprons or anything like that under "As Ever" because of the Chinese brand of the same name, and their TM over the name for items categorised as clothing/textiles. Why they didn't just TM the "With Love, Meghan" instead of a third, confusing name after ARO, is a mystery.

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It doesn't look as though she did any research on her brand name. The normal way to do things is to decide on the product, devise a brand name, then research the viability of the brand name. You're right, though, about not being able to use As Ever for linens. I did read somewhere that there's some regulation that prevents using the same name for an extended info-mercial and its related brand so she couldn't call the brand With love, Meghan.

AlternativeView · 08/03/2025 16:04

I was sceptical but I'm really enjoying it, on one episode she mentions an antique market she likes I wish she had gone in. I'd love to see more of the area and beaches, farmer market at

Onlyonekenobe · 08/03/2025 16:19

Oh wow. That Bridgerton stuff is on a whole 'nother level. Personally I prefer the pared back aesthetic of MM's products. But that Bridgerton stuff is bang on for Bridgerton fans. It's so clever: there's something for different budgets, different age brackets, it's all UPF and shelf stable, it's on an easy to use website, it's associated with a quality brand (I think WS stuff is a bit shit at times but they do have some very solid stuff), it's easy for a fan to make the packet stuff and pretend to be any of the characters they saw on the screen. It's very clever.

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 08/03/2025 16:27

IdaGlossop · 08/03/2025 16:04

It doesn't look as though she did any research on her brand name. The normal way to do things is to decide on the product, devise a brand name, then research the viability of the brand name. You're right, though, about not being able to use As Ever for linens. I did read somewhere that there's some regulation that prevents using the same name for an extended info-mercial and its related brand so she couldn't call the brand With love, Meghan.

Thanks for that clarification. So she's basically chosen 3 names over an entire year of roll out that get her no further than UPF crap in a packet. What exactly are we supposed to be admiring about her/ this project? It's pure incompetence.

JFDIYOLO · 08/03/2025 16:36

It reads rather like a membership on Facebook. Build your audience, fluff up excitement for the brand, drop tasters for the product then maybe even a waiting list for the FOMO - so when they launch the audience scramble. Clever.