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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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nongnangning · 08/03/2025 10:33

The problem is "the gap between the stated aims (elevate! Create joy!) and selling jam".

To sell jam at a premium you need marketing.

I can't even believe I took the time to do this but see below for my quick and dirty jam brand analysis 😆

Fortnum & Mason's brand jam (posh, expensive, £5.95 a pot
https://www.fortnumandmason.com/strawberry-preserve-340g
This jam has copywritten marketing blurb.
"Strawberry at its best.
Jam packed with little Murano and Camarosa Strawberries and made with just the right amount of cane sugar, this is a classic among English jams.
Serving suggestion
Scrumptious with morning tea."

Morrisson's budget jam ((£1 a pot)
https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-strawberry-jam/113166824
No marketing copy at all except (one) customer reviews on the page

As far as I can see Elevate; create joy! seems to be just MM spelling out her brand's "personality" and mission statement.

https://www.fortnumandmason.com/strawberry-preserve-340g

nongnangning · 08/03/2025 10:34

PS I have to go out now. I may buy some jam.

MonteShitshow · 08/03/2025 10:40

joanofaardvark · 08/03/2025 09:50

My God you lot are OBSESSED! Why does she live rent free inside your heads? How long did that OP take to type out?! This is like some kind of hobby in the style of mean girls playground bitching. Why does it matter so much to you? Can't you get a different hobby?

I really like seeing other perspectives on this, and other kinds of modern marketing, PR and psychology / herd psychology as it has been an eye opener for me. As a consumer AND an outsider to these fields, advertising and branding are quite fascinating because it shows me how things work from conceptualisation to end product longevity. I reckon the @AtIusvue and @GiveMeSpanakopita comments, among others, have identified a very new direction of advertising (new to me in any case), and it’s quite exciting to see that this might be how things develop on streaming platforms.

Their analyses were informative and educational for me. There will be bland neutral polite friendly threads on MN if that’s what you’re looking for, if that’s your hobby.

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 10:42

nongnangning · 08/03/2025 10:34

PS I have to go out now. I may buy some jam.

Get pancake mix while you're there! Plus dried flowers to elevate 😂

Jacquettes · 08/03/2025 10:49

nongnangning · 08/03/2025 08:47

I don't want to drag this too much off topic because the OP's theory about the purpose of the show is quite interesting - and possibly even a business innovation for a media company like Netflix to experiment with selling jam via a celebrity content partnership (rather than say plush toy merch linked to animated cartoon characters).

But .... it is quite hard to understand the real sense of deep seated nastiness in the discussions of Meghan (not just this thread). Background racism is one explanation. There's a lot of comments (not just here, everywhere) that seem to suggest she's uppity, doesn't know her place, is out of place, underhand (these are all things white people have historically said about black people) - and then also the opposite, that she's letting the side down by being trashy selling groceries. It's speculated that her buyers could be "misguided" and somehow acting out of false consciousness, under the influence of trickery. I appreciate no-one likes thinking they could be a racist (unless they are actually a real, declared racist!) so if it's not background racism, then what is it?
The only other thing I can think of is some deep-seated form of personal jealousy ("why should she... ??)?? Possibly to do with social class/wealth (like "how dare she marry a prince, tell the rest of us how to cook and then sell jam on the back of it, she's no better than me.") I myself wouldn't mind a nice big house in Montecito and a multi-million media deal, just for being me.
It's probably a bit of both.

There are absolutely loads of terrible TV shows and business partnership tie-ups out there - but none of them seem to run to so many media and social media column inches.

When the products are actually available I expect there will be another gold rush of cultural commentary to help sell them. See you all at the checkout 😎

I’m clapping and agreeing with your post. It wouldn’t let me use two symbols only one:

glitterturd · 08/03/2025 11:16

I very much enjoy @GiveMeSpanakopita posts as well. We've moved a long way from end of aisle displays to where we are today.

glitterturd · 08/03/2025 11:17

It's not jam, it's spread 😂

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 08/03/2025 11:21

I wish the race bores would go away. I'm a WOC, as are a number of other regular critics of MM. She and her acolytes have completely cheapened the meaning of the word, "racism". And in doing so, I find them more racist than anyone else.

NormaMajors1992coat · 08/03/2025 11:40

so if it's not background racism, then what is it? The only other thing I can think of is some deep-seated form of personal jealousy

Have you considered that some people might just really dislike entitled, deceitful, hypocritical bullies? And have you noticed that Harry (famous for his racist remarks and behaviour btw, including celebrating the "strength" of his genes over Meghan's 🤮) is also widely despised?

jeffgoldblum · 08/03/2025 12:00

Don't forget constant and deliberate lies @NormaMajors1992coat !
Nobody likes liars no matter who they are!

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 12:04

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 08/03/2025 11:21

I wish the race bores would go away. I'm a WOC, as are a number of other regular critics of MM. She and her acolytes have completely cheapened the meaning of the word, "racism". And in doing so, I find them more racist than anyone else.

Thank you. Just because some white people have accused some black people of being underhand, it does not mean that Meghan is above criticism. She's not a saint.
And saying so is not racist.

StrawberryWasp · 08/03/2025 12:11

It's very odd when people give 98 reasons they don't like M including: the lies, the bullying ofstaff, the poor treatment of her family and friends, her awful treatment of the late queen, the disparaging of the British royal family, theselling family out for money, the invasion of others privacy for money, the gushing superficial self aggrandising way she speaks..and then someone comes along and says ' but why don't you like her?'?? It must be RRRRRACISM.'

Nope it's all the stuff I said.

I don't need a secret unconscious reason to explain the explicable.

It's just stupid logic apart from anything else. Why would my unconscious racism only kick in for M and not for any other successful black women?

It would be a weirdly coincidental type of racism that leads to me disliking unlikeable black woman and liking likeable black women.

BemusedAmerican · 08/03/2025 12:12

So if she makes a fortune from products that I, an American, can't afford to buy, do I still have to pay for security for her and Harry when they visit NYC? Will they be finally be rich enough to afford their own people?

The next time they visit a natural disaster area, will they hand out jam and crepe mix?

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 12:31

BemusedAmerican · 08/03/2025 12:12

So if she makes a fortune from products that I, an American, can't afford to buy, do I still have to pay for security for her and Harry when they visit NYC? Will they be finally be rich enough to afford their own people?

The next time they visit a natural disaster area, will they hand out jam and crepe mix?

They will never, ever pay for their own security.

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 12:32

StrawberryWasp · 08/03/2025 12:11

It's very odd when people give 98 reasons they don't like M including: the lies, the bullying ofstaff, the poor treatment of her family and friends, her awful treatment of the late queen, the disparaging of the British royal family, theselling family out for money, the invasion of others privacy for money, the gushing superficial self aggrandising way she speaks..and then someone comes along and says ' but why don't you like her?'?? It must be RRRRRACISM.'

Nope it's all the stuff I said.

I don't need a secret unconscious reason to explain the explicable.

It's just stupid logic apart from anything else. Why would my unconscious racism only kick in for M and not for any other successful black women?

It would be a weirdly coincidental type of racism that leads to me disliking unlikeable black woman and liking likeable black women.

Thank. You.
Excellent post 👌

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 12:36

I'm just watching Nisha Katona's "Home Kitchen" programme on itv. I'd recommend it.
Nisha is the daughter of Indian immigrants and started the successful Mowgli chain of restaurants. She's a great cook, very relatable, interesting and informative. You see her with her daughters, around her home on the Wirral. She's intelligent, interesting, well informed, genuine and modest.
The very opposite of Meghan Sussex.

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 12:37

BemusedAmerican · 08/03/2025 12:12

So if she makes a fortune from products that I, an American, can't afford to buy, do I still have to pay for security for her and Harry when they visit NYC? Will they be finally be rich enough to afford their own people?

The next time they visit a natural disaster area, will they hand out jam and crepe mix?

Don't be so silly! It'll be hugs and dried flowers.

JADS · 08/03/2025 12:37

I don't know if this has been answered before, but who did you think came up with the concept for this show? Was it NF or Meghan herself?

Also I slightly confused about the seasonality of the products. Surely jam, cake mix and crepes aren't particularly seasonal. I would imagine there will be a limited number made in order to "sell out" fast.

All those weird little bits of media about the Meghan effect make more sense now. I guess the question is - are the buying public fooled? Slapping Bridgerton all over merch did shift some products, but Bridgerton is a massive phenomenon thanks to Shonda Rhimes.

(Just to add a comment about racism - were there any black guests in WLM? I haven't watched it)

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 12:49

JADS · 08/03/2025 12:37

I don't know if this has been answered before, but who did you think came up with the concept for this show? Was it NF or Meghan herself?

Also I slightly confused about the seasonality of the products. Surely jam, cake mix and crepes aren't particularly seasonal. I would imagine there will be a limited number made in order to "sell out" fast.

All those weird little bits of media about the Meghan effect make more sense now. I guess the question is - are the buying public fooled? Slapping Bridgerton all over merch did shift some products, but Bridgerton is a massive phenomenon thanks to Shonda Rhimes.

(Just to add a comment about racism - were there any black guests in WLM? I haven't watched it)

There was one black guest- Tracey Robbins, the wife of the paramount CEO

Whos idea? Not sure. I don’t Meghan came up with it. I think she pitched a normal cooking show. She’s always wanted that and she spent much of 2015/16 promoting herself as a cook to try and get one. I think NF didn’t see any value in that, as she has no skills and has never been known for her expertise in the lifestyle arena. It won’t bring in subscriptions.

Maybe they’ve had the streamer shopping idea for a while? They’ve seen how SM shopping has boomed over the last 2 years and wanted a piece of the action? Meghan was nearing her contract end and desperate to get something. Maybe she thought she could sell it as a lifestyle/cooking show so agreed. She’s still pretending that it’s a show, when we all know it’s an advert. NF thought they can’t sell her as a proper cook but they can sell her enviable lifestyle. They can make money off selling the lifestyle merch.

Also there were rumours last year that WME was working on a QVC deal. Now it was probably nonsense, but the reason why it tracts is probably because it sounds like something she would do (stoop to). Turns out that’s exactly who she is.

How Harry isn’t embarrassed and why he’s letting his kids childhoods be sold for insta likes is beyond me.

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AutumnCrowRoyale · 08/03/2025 13:03

I see Jack Rosenberg is back on the scene (if he ever left). He’s the bloke that photographed and ran the Tig website for her. He’s the credited photographer of the publicity stills for WLM. (See eg attached Sky article.)

I think H must compartmentalise it all. I imagine it’s how he deals with the cognitive dissonance of his life for which he is unable to take any responsibility whatsoever, even as an 40 year old man, and that will one day unravel him.

https://news.sky.com/story/with-love-meghan-questions-remain-about-how-royal-couples-new-life-is-working-out-and-show-needs-to-succeed-13321326

With Love, Meghan: Questions remain about how royal couple's new life is working out - and show needs to succeed

The overly perfect presentation of the food and flower arrangements, the saccharine, some may say cheesy, delivery is not usually our cup of tea. But that doesn't mean it won't land well.

https://news.sky.com/story/with-love-meghan-questions-remain-about-how-royal-couples-new-life-is-working-out-and-show-needs-to-succeed-13321326

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 13:06

@AutumnCrowRoyale I agree. Harry is none too bright, and what with being privileged and lazy, won't enquire. Years of substance abuse have probably taken their toll. I'm not sure he knows what's happening at any given time.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/03/2025 13:07

@AtIusvue

“How Harry isn’t embarrassed and why he’s letting his kids childhoods be sold for insta likes is beyond me.”

I don’t think Harry will be happy about his DC being nudged into public life and I wonder what all those ardent Sussex fans think about this given the numerous threads criticising W and C for “ trotting out” ( a favourite expression) their DC to gain positive PR.
The fact that Meghan is selling jam - sorry spread- suggests to me that they really need an income stream to support their very expensive lifestyle .
As an aside I would love to see the Cousins’ WhatsApp messages !

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 13:07

Plus - that is not a flattering picture of Meghan.

EsmaCannonball · 08/03/2025 13:09

IIRC, Nisha Katona was a barrister before becoming a restaurateur. She's got substance and authenticity, unlike you-know-who.

AtIusvue · 08/03/2025 13:13

@Mylovelygreendress
The cousins WhatsApp would be hilarious….I can just imagine Zara talking about her mums reaction 😂

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