As Ever #3 As If

[PrettyFlyforaMaiTai]

Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

In retrospect, the choice of Givenchy shows that she wasn't willing from the very beginning to do what a member of the Royal family should do. There were other Givenchy dresses later too.

The only headlines I recall about the dress emphasised the nationality of the designer and seemed to take pride in the fact that a British woman was such a big shot in the world of international couture.

www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/style/meghan-markle-wedding-dress.html
Here's one example - "Clare Waight Keller for Givenchy..."
The article goes on to quote a Kensington Palace statement lauding the British woman who had served as creative head of three prominent fashion houses.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-44055385
"The pure white, boat neck gown was designed by British designer Clare Waight Keller, the artistic director of French fashion house Givenchy."
This article refers to the "Birmingham born designer" and notes that Brits John Galliano and Alexander McQueen also led Givenchy, and suggests the choice of the first woman to head Givenchy was significant.

In case anyone interested who doesn't normally listen - Richard Osman and Marina Hyde discussed With Love Meghan on their Podcast - The Rest is Entertainment - this morning .

I suppose I can understand a bit M and H not knowing much about toddlers before she had her own children. But Spare was written years later and she still can't see C's side of things.

They make comments like that in all earnestness and sincerity when their children are young. By middle school they've usually been chastened..

What did they say?

Well, we'll see if that changes. I think believing your own kids are the most special beings in creation is entirely normal, but to put comments like that out to be read globally is silly, and I'd say the same if the Waleses came out with equivalent.

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@BasiliskStare - gulp, I liked her dress too - probably because it was very similar to mine from 1996. It did make her look a bit no-waisted though. In 1996 I had a wasp waist (2025 a big bumblebee waist ☹️ )

I remember reading that Meghan hadn’t even wanted Charlotte as a bridesmaid, but was “ordered” to include her. Once relations had soured between Meghan and Kate I expect every interaction was fraught. I wouldn’t like to annoy Meghan - scary!

Or said anything incontrovertibly racist.
I can't believe that, for the 18 months M was a working royal, she never heard a single, irrefutably racist remark from.any of them.

I liked M's wedding dress as well. I preferred it to Kate's, wasn't keen on the lace and the pointy boob effect.

I agree, I don't like visible cups on dresses, although the skirt part was beautiful.
I thought Meghan looked lovely, although the fit wasn't great, but the boat neck with long sleeves is a tricky look.
The veil and tiara were stunning.

The bridesmaid dresses were the subject of a fascinating thread last year (i think) when the tailor who fixed them had ended up in the papers. Lots of really knowledgeable people who sew explained what had possibly gone wrong and why it wasn't simply a matter of taking a seam in. I recommend it to anyone who is interested.

Quite.

I love that podcast, off to have a listen!

I liked Catherine's and thought it was suitable for the scale of the occasion.

The fit of Meghan's wouldn't have been a problem for a wedding that wasn't televised but in the context it was a dreadful fit. I remember Sophie's wedding dress was also too loose.

Although I agree about the close set eyes and nose Phillip was an absolute stunner in his younger days. Talk about Greek god (even if he wasn’t technically Greek).

The same can’t be said for Harry, who is more muppet.

The text messages reveal that relations were already frosty and strained between M & C by the time of the bridesmaid saga.

I think Kate saying Charlotte cried because it didn't fir was goady nonsense. Charlotte probably cried because of all the tensions of the adults at the fitting.

But Ms responses are just rude. Right. Look. Here.
One word sentences.
Like the other mums (nice mums not making a fuss).

They obviously really couldn't stand each other even then.

Oh to hear Kate's stories. But we never will.

Oh poor old Sophie, she was beautiful but that dress really didn't fit. That and the truly horrible tiara. She deserved better!

Regarding tights and knickers wasn't there an incident where Lady Louise's dress flew up and revealed her knickers?

Can't remember when but I think the press were very good and didn't show the photos?
Evil press.

I think it may have been at Meghan and Harrys wedding, actually. Good for the evil press.

Weren't you the poster who suggested the children should be kept hidden in case they have 'African Features?

I can tell you I know about but don't give a toss about critical race theory because it's corrupt nonsensical twaddle.
Your stupid game of veiled threats is over.

I might be totally off base here, but didn't Harry say that he wasn't relating Kate's texts verbatim? Just the gist?

Prince Philip was breathtakingly handsome as a young man, you can see why the late Queen as a teenager went "Mine!" in the way she did and never wavered.