As Ever #3 As If

[PrettyFlyforaMaiTai]

Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

To be fair, I've just spent 10 minutes looking at pictures of George and he looks so different in all of them, I can't place a family resemblance at all.

You could be right about James' eyes.

Harry's features are not as refined as Philip's.

Both women could be forgiven for being overwrought tbh.

What I took from that story was that four DAYS before the wedding that was to be viewed by millions, the bridesmaids’ dresses weren’t fitted to anyone’s satisfaction. I thought at the time, where did she order them from, Shein?

I've always been interested in Kate's side of the bridesmaids dress/tights imbroglio because I imagine it would be very different indeed.

I've been told by both my DHs that when I'm particularly cross and make a point I always start with "Look....abcxyz ...and end with "alright?" I'm getting the same sort of tone from Meghan's texts to Kate and it is not the best one to take with a woman you barely know, who knows the Royal ropes much better than you do and who is 2 weeks post partum and you already had a shaky start with. I think Kate was more gracious than I would have been with those flowers, not that it did her any good.

Alright? 😁

Givenchy did not cover themselves in glory. I assume Meghan didn't know what she wanted, changed her mind multiple times about shape and fabric, shouted at people and looked at them menacingly, perhaps tore up a few sketches, ignored deadlines, berated people on the phone at 5am. So exhausting.

Of course Meghan has had a nose job. It's obvious. Many Hollywood stars have done so both white and woc. Look at Beyoncé, Halle Berry, Tyra Banks, Kelly Rowland. Very common.

There was some talk of Charlotte being made to cry at one of the fittings and compared unfavorably to Jessica Mulroney's child. I imagine, if that's true, Catherine was on edge worrying about what might happen with her emotional daughter live on TV in front of the world. She didn't leave the ceremony from the front of the chapel with the other bridesmaids, I note.

All the dresses were awful (I liked Meghan's dress in its design, but the fit was terrible). Dresses from the half price sale in Debenhams wedding department would have looked better. I can't believe Givenchy have never had to explain (to the taxpayers paying for that "spectacle" ) why they produced such shoddy work. It must have cost a fortune, never mind the additional cost of having a high end tailor working through the night to repair the damage.

And why on earth didn't Meghan - and more importantly, Harry, who needs to take his share of the blame - have a high society wedding planner? Why is everything amateur hour with her?

Yes I suspect the same.

Would certainly explain why her dress looked so ill fitting and the poor bridesmaids 🙄

Probably decided she wanted a totally different dress 2 weeks before the day

But wasn't Meghan pretty good friends with the (British) designer. To the extent that she crashed the British Fashion Awards ceremony (whilst heavily pregnant) to present her with a design award award? Meghan may have felt at home shouting at the little people working at Givenchy, but you would have thought the actual designer would have the professional pride to be hands on getting right.

I'm sure Claire Waight-Keller was doing everything she could to get things right but some demands are unmanageable. She didn't remain at Givenchy for long after the wedding.

I’m sure I remember reading that she changed the design last minute. That’s why the veil was so intricate and detailed but the dress was so plain and simple. All rumour of course, but this is the only thing that made sense to me and why nothing fit and everything was loose and baggy.

She left Givenchy in 2020, which may or may not be related but hasn't gone anywhere of that calibre since.

Sarah Burton is now CD at Givenchy 😂the dress she did for Kate was stunning.

Well by the sounds of it, ever single one of MM's demands is unmanageable. From her father, to Reitman's, to the RF, to everyone she "collabs" with (no matter how high value they are compared to this D-lister) to WME. Does anyone stand up to her? And why does everyone humour her? She's that raging narc we all know who just gets away with murder constantly, and appeasing them becomes a habit.

From Givenchy to Uniqlo: my life in fashion.

The contrast with how wonderful her evening wedding dress was is marked, especially as it was a fraction of the price (I know the veil would have been v expensive of course) The style IMO suited her much better but there is no reason why Givenchy couture should have been so ill fitting, unless as suspected, there were Problems.

Maybe Stella McC takes fewer prisoners!

Ah yes, the veil. Decorated with all the flowers of the Commonwealth, a tribute to the significant role given to her by the late Queen.
That worked out well.

He looks like the Queens father

I very rarely comment on "appearances", especially where children are involved, but have to say the whole lot of them - bride included - would probably have looked better if they'd gone to John Lewis

Doubtless there's a backstory involved, but I'll never get my head around how they all came to be so ill fitted, and from a house like Givenchy at that

It did annoy that she went to Givenchy. I feel the British RF should be championing British fashion and there's plenty of talent. I know the actual designer was British but the headline was that it was designed by Givenchy. Of course Stella McCartney did the evening dress and I think that's the nicest thing I have ever seen her wear. In general, in her brief time as a royal, she didn't wear that many British brands, IIRC.

https://archive.ph/OqDRV

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14433791/Meghan-Markle-rebrand-former-aide-AMANDA-PLATELL.html

Hinting it could be a sign that staff may possibly come forward and talk about the bullying by Meghan

A wedding-day tale

A dress so plain is a risky choice,
With dress so plain there's nowhere to hide.
A dress so plain shows every crease,
Next time, Meghan, I'd go to Reiss.

Princess Charlotte is a little gem,
She didn't deserve a ragged hem.
Her little feet were rubbed red raw,
Just out of reach of Meghan's claw.

Considerate Kate bought Meghan flowers,
Striding through the May-time showers.
But Meghan threw them in the bin,
Then guzzled 20 pints of gin.

The ginger prince stood in the kitchen,
Listening to the servants bitchin'.
"He'll surely live to rue the day
His frozen todger made him stray."

@IdaGlossop

😂😂😂 Thank you!

I wonder if there is a still a "war room" at Montecito monitoring Press and social media. If so, can imagine one benighted staffer whispering to another "For God's sake, don't let her see the latest MN RF board poem"

Meghan is so easy to satirise. I'm beginning to regret my 15 minutes of fun. She might sue me for defamation. The use of the term war room is quite revealing (ex PR person speaking). A war room should only be used at times of crisis, and to work on responses and rebuttals. It sounds as though the M&H war room was a permanent fixture.

Re Meghan's wedding dress - I really liked it and I didn't notice it was terribly ill fitting (no fashionista me ) . But I have read the fabric is quite stiff so it may be that she had to have a bit of give in the cut for sitting down etc. I also really liked the veil & thought it stood out more against the plain dress.

I actually preferred it to Catherine's but I am not a fan of lace sleeves. That said I thought Catherine's was objectively lovely & stunning and she needed something to stand out in the Abbey . Also a classic style which won't date in pictures over time.

Just my opinion but 📣alert alert 📣 just defended Meghan 😂

Re the bridesmaid dresses I can understand Kate being annoyed at it not fitting properly - being too short etc - surely they would have taken measurements. I do think them not wearing tights ( albeit protocol ) is something I would just have let go. But Catherine will be much more versed in protocol and yes two weeks after giving birth I can see a bit stressful.

It did annoy that she went to Givenchy.

I was disappointed by that on the day - and I liked and supported them at that point. For such a high profile occasion it should have been a British, or Commonwealth, name.

I don't think the tights thing needed to have anyhing to do with protocol. I can think of several reasons why as a parent Catherine might have wanted Charlotte in tights:

May in England can be chilly. If it had been a cold day, bare legs would have been miserable
At Catherine's own wedding, when the bridesmaids were sitting on low stools, while the service was in progess, one of the small bridesmaids fidgeted so much that if she hadn't been in tights, her knickers would have been on show, to a global audience of millions.
Charlotte had only just turned three. Even if she was normally reliable, Catherine might have wanted to put her in a pullup for the occasion, just to be on the safe side. Tights would have concealed it.