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As Ever #3 As If

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 23/02/2025 22:38

Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

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BemusedAmerican · 27/02/2025 13:43

Dolly Parton has mixes out with a major mix brand.

I can buy premium mixes for both pancakes and cakes at any regular supermarket. If I want to splurge, I can order mixes from King Arthur. King Arthur sells lots of flours, has cookbooks out and instructional videos on their website. I trust them more than Meghan.

Serenster · 27/02/2025 13:46

IcedPurple · 27/02/2025 12:56

"Power Couple Baking Bundle"? Yikes!

But hawking cake mixes isn't their main income stream by any means.

And that's a pretty slick website. Meghan hasn't even got her trademark together yet. It seems bizarre to not launch simultaneously with the TV show.

Yes. This is a pretty mature business though - and comes from an authentic interest in food. For years before she was as famous as she now is, Chrissy used to post recipes and cooking ideas on her instagram with the fairly unique hook of a model who loved food, loved to cook and loved to eat. She was honest about the fact that she wasn’t going to be “one of those dead inside laughing with a salad chicks” but she was also refreshingly also honest about she couldn’t eat everything she wanted, so she was going to make sure that what she did eat was worth the calories.

She then started a cooking blog, called So Delushious, which became a cookbook, and then eventually she has food empire.

Spectre8 · 27/02/2025 13:47

Mylovelygreendress · 27/02/2025 12:02

@Spectre8 what did you think of Meghan hugging the crew member ?

I didn't think anything. Why would I? It's literally one second in the video. Person hugging another person...and? So? People hug people 🙄

StrawberryWasp · 27/02/2025 13:48

IcedPurple · 27/02/2025 13:28

The fact that we all have so many unanswered questions shows just how terrible this 'launch' is. There is no clear identity for this 'brand' at all. Nobody knows what, if anything, will be sold, where it will be sold, what the price point will be, what the angle will be and so on. That's just terrible marketing, and it's why I wonder if 'As Ever' will ever actually materialise.

Or maybe the fact it's all so mysterious and we are desperate to know more to the extent we waste our time speculating about it on here means it's genius marketing??

Time will tell, which keeps us all watching and gossiping 😁

I cannot believe people buy Chrissy Teigans cake mix either. Why? Just get Betty Crocker in the supermarket. Chrissys isn't going to be any better is it? It's just sugar flour and flavouring.
Surely the only thing that can 'improve' cake mix is posh gift packaging as described previously?

MummyJ12 · 27/02/2025 13:49

Dolly Parton has mixes out with a major mix brand.

Now this, I would buy @BemusedAmerican!

As Ever #3 As If
BasiliskStare · 27/02/2025 13:52

Vespanest · 27/02/2025 13:36

chrissy tweeted in 2020 that even after a few tears she was not making a profit. Chrissy will not be shy coming forward if she believes Meghan is stepping on her toes.

@Vespanest - I know it was a typo but "even after a few tears" she (CT) wasn't making a profit raised a bit of a giggle with me. I wonder if some more sobbing on the floor will ensue if no profit chez Markle.

Spectre8 · 27/02/2025 13:52

Serenster · 27/02/2025 11:49

Oh, so can you confirm that she’s only barefoot in the kitchen, for the behind the scenes part, not the actual filming then…

Well there is a shot of her cooking in the kitchen and she has shoes on so on thay premise she is wearing shoes whilst cooking then. This is the only shot where she is barefoot and she wasn't cooking.

StrawberryWasp · 27/02/2025 13:53

MummyJ12 · 27/02/2025 13:49

Dolly Parton has mixes out with a major mix brand.

Now this, I would buy @BemusedAmerican!

I might buy Dolly's. Even though it's the same crap no doubt.

But great marketing for people who love Dolly.

I guess M is going to elevate cake mix somehow.?

To give her credit I've never given cake mix and it's economics so much thought so she does have influence...

StrawberryWasp · 27/02/2025 13:57

I'd like another thread to waste time speculating on...

jeffgoldblum · 27/02/2025 13:57

MummyJ12 · 27/02/2025 13:49

Dolly Parton has mixes out with a major mix brand.

Now this, I would buy @BemusedAmerican!

That's so cute mummy !
Love dolly ! I'd buy it too but as everything, I doubt it's available in the U.K. ! 😭

Mylovelygreendress · 27/02/2025 14:10

Spectre8 · 27/02/2025 13:47

I didn't think anything. Why would I? It's literally one second in the video. Person hugging another person...and? So? People hug people 🙄

You don’t think it was inappropriate? Of course not …..
Woukd you have felt the same if the crew member had hugged her ?

MaggieMistletoe · 27/02/2025 14:13

AtIusvue · 27/02/2025 11:16

Mixes are popular in the US. They aren’t really much of a thing here but she wants to target the US market. Things like cookie dough, ready made frosting in millions of different flavours are something that’s popular. It’s baking without all the mess. It’s popular in the US.

It just not something that’s done here. Yes you can get cake mixes and pre made frosting but it’s extremely limited and seems almost pointless. To make a buttercream icing, cream cheese frosting etc its so simple and won’t have all the preservatives that will be sitting in those tubs.

That said, years ago I worked in Pizza Express (25 years ago) and the chocolate fudge cake was a Betty Crocker mix and pre made Betty Crocker frosting. The chefs used to let me ice the cakes…was my fav job!

I know RFK and his 'make America healthy again' are looking to ban a lot of these harmful dyes, preservatives, flavour-enhancers etc so I think she's behind the curve if the plan is to peddle long-life UPFs because regulations are going to get tighter and I can see there being campaigns etc to educate people so they can be more discerning with what they put into their bodies. Meghan only cares about cold hard cash, but there are an increasing number of people in the US who care passionately about the health of the nation. She's clutching at straws if this is the plan.

IcedPurple · 27/02/2025 14:21

StrawberryWasp · 27/02/2025 13:48

Or maybe the fact it's all so mysterious and we are desperate to know more to the extent we waste our time speculating about it on here means it's genius marketing??

Time will tell, which keeps us all watching and gossiping 😁

I cannot believe people buy Chrissy Teigans cake mix either. Why? Just get Betty Crocker in the supermarket. Chrissys isn't going to be any better is it? It's just sugar flour and flavouring.
Surely the only thing that can 'improve' cake mix is posh gift packaging as described previously?

Or maybe the fact it's all so mysterious and we are desperate to know more to the extent we waste our time speculating about it on here means it's genius marketing??

I thought about this too, but I really don't think so.

If she'd had a 'teaser' product, just to hint at coming attractions and keep people guessing, that might be one thing. It would set up the general direction of her brand nicely. But what we've got is just a confusing mess which I really don't think is going to build confidence in her products, if and when they appear.

Meghan's perennial problem is that she does elicit a lot of interest, but hasn't been able to translate that into any profitable ventures. I have a feeling 'As Ever' will go the same way.

BemusedAmerican · 27/02/2025 14:22

RFK Jr. needs to focus on disease. An unvaccinated child just died in Texas and they have a measles epidemic. The bird flu situation is frightening. I'm only consuming pasteurized milk products and I've stopped buying eggs. I am already a vegetarian. Boxed cake mixes are the least of our problems.

MummyJ12 · 27/02/2025 14:23

jeffgoldblum · 27/02/2025 13:57

That's so cute mummy !
Love dolly ! I'd buy it too but as everything, I doubt it's available in the U.K. ! 😭

LOVE Dolly too!

From what I can find, it’s only available in the U.K. through Etsy and Ebay ☹️ (at an inflated price!)

I think we have our issue with whatever As Ever sells. Meghan’s popularity (or lack of). I can’t think of anyone who has a bad word to say about Dolly, she could put her name to anything and she would make it successful. Not so sure Meghan has the same following. She’s not iconic. She isn’t well regarded or popular so she doesn’t have much of a market to sell anything to.

Serenster · 27/02/2025 14:26

Meghan only cares about cold hard cash, but there are an increasing number of people in the US who care passionately about the health of the nation. She's clutching at straws if this is the plan.

I think the corn (oil, syrup, fructose) producers’ lobby is fairly powerful in the US though! I wouldn’t hold your breath…

Uricon2 · 27/02/2025 14:26

I think the advantage that the likes of Paul Newman and Dolly Parton had/have in any venture is that a) they are real deal, 24 carat philanthropists b) people actually like and respect them c) they aren't annoying.

You want to sell a business or charity based on your own persona, those things are really quite high in terms of importance (possibly especially c)

BemusedAmerican · 27/02/2025 14:28

Also the Newman products are quite healthy and tasty. I would look at the Newman ingredient list and buy the item because it lacked artificial ingredients and corn syrup.

jeffgoldblum · 27/02/2025 14:31

It's such a bummer isn't it @MummyJ12 !
I find it a real problem because my kids and I'm sure others watch YouTube and get into American things!
An example.. my daughter was very into "guava juice" he's a YouTuber that does experiments ?! 🤷‍♀️
Anyway, she wanted his little kits for Christmas one year , these kits are around 9 dollars in the US , I had to pay 60 pounds each ! ( yes I know)
She was young and was so excited so I did it but I wasn't happy about it! 🤣

CornishTeaTime · 27/02/2025 14:35

She WONT be posting herself!!!! Serious no celeb posts themselves. Her team/social media person will be posting, managing, scheduling and YES the post, delete, repost would have been on purpose, why...so we ALL talk about it!!!!!

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/02/2025 14:36

StrawberryWasp · 27/02/2025 13:48

Or maybe the fact it's all so mysterious and we are desperate to know more to the extent we waste our time speculating about it on here means it's genius marketing??

Time will tell, which keeps us all watching and gossiping 😁

I cannot believe people buy Chrissy Teigans cake mix either. Why? Just get Betty Crocker in the supermarket. Chrissys isn't going to be any better is it? It's just sugar flour and flavouring.
Surely the only thing that can 'improve' cake mix is posh gift packaging as described previously?

No, mystery and speculation is not genius marketing when it comes to food, or FMCG in general. The consumer markets for FMGCs are pretty conservative - we tend to gravitate to the brands and flavours that we know and like and are at the right price point. That's why it's surprisingly difficult to launch new 'versions' of existing brands - a white chocolate version of a beloved chocolate bar for example. There are years of taste testing, blind testing, focus grouping and marketing before the product launches. And lots of them fail or founder (Vanilla Coke, transparent Pepsi. Vanilla Coke does well in CEE, not so much Western Europe). In general we are a lot more conservative and risk averse with food & drink then we like to think we are.

Genius marketing in this sector would be teasing exciting, delicious looking goods that are well branded and have an element of uniqueness, whilst also reassuring potential buyers that the taste and mouth-feel and price point won't be hugely different to their favourite current brand.

Mystery and speculation has a place in marketing where you already have a very clear brand in place, and are seeming to depart from it. A really good example of this would be Beyonce's team's roll out of Cowboy Carter. Basically it's a strategy which can work for entertainment, media and experiences but not FMCG.

My only other thought is that the Dolly Parton branding works because her personal brand is well established and also very layered: hence the brand partnership has an ironic wink (working class / trailer park / country aesthetics) as well as being fun and heart-warming. You need the legendary status or strong branding of a tried and tested superstar to do that.

User14March · 27/02/2025 14:39

How about decorative, iced biscuits with a regal theme? Elevating the humble digestive (?) I am no marketeer but isn’t it usual to have ‘it’ all packaged up & ready to launch pre Netflix? Whatever ‘it’ is…

Brooklyn B I think will be successful with his sauce. Focus narrow, one product. Paul Newman of future (?)

Words · 27/02/2025 14:43

A junior's lament

Quick! Source some artisan cake mix!
As Ma'am is slightly unnerved
Her brand launch is somewhat in tatters
And Netflix want something to serve

Are the decks all completed and ready?
Coz she suffered an outburst you see
So now she's having hysterics
And the person she'll blame is me

Other Betjeman fans to improve 🤣

To those mystified these are ( in my case) very bad parodies of poems by John Betjeman , a poet who had huge fun poking fun at social pretensions. He would have made mincemeat out of MM.

JSMill · 27/02/2025 14:53

Uricon2 · 27/02/2025 14:26

I think the advantage that the likes of Paul Newman and Dolly Parton had/have in any venture is that a) they are real deal, 24 carat philanthropists b) people actually like and respect them c) they aren't annoying.

You want to sell a business or charity based on your own persona, those things are really quite high in terms of importance (possibly especially c)

Paul Newman only started selling his sauce and salad dressing commercially because he was encouraged by friends because they were so good, not because he needed a side hustle. People bought them because they were good. Most importantly, IIRC, the profits went to a summer camp charity. Paul Newman and his wife managed to do good without making a song and dance about it.

Uricon2 · 27/02/2025 14:55

@Words Brava!

My very paltry contribution to Betjefest-

A Junior's Lament (continued)

Her husband is out in the garden
He's having some stress with his hose
The 8 Hour Cream has gone missing
But may be used up, I suppose.

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