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As Ever #3 As If

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 23/02/2025 22:38

Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

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MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:11

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:10

@MissFenellaPrism I think Kate was politely pointing out tailoring wouldn’t fix things as advised by her dressmaker & if remaking on cards they needed to get skates on.

Someone who was bothered by a smelly chapel & had great attention to detail might be genuinely concerned & likely Kate trying to be helpful. M seemed unbothered though really maybe as spotlight on her?

Yes, very odd. Plus another on the floor weeping episode, she sounds as if she finds it difficult to manage emotions.
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Weepixie · 25/02/2025 16:11

FromThePrismOfJammyTodger · 25/02/2025 11:28

@Weepixie All her childhood photos show MM with Afro/tightly curled hair.

I can’t say that I’ve seen many pictures of Meghan as a child, or even before she met Harry. But I did see the video of the Burger advert.

Weepixie · 25/02/2025 16:13

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:11

Yes, very odd. Plus another on the floor weeping episode, she sounds as if she finds it difficult to manage emotions.
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Or cry and stay standing up at the same time

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:16

@MissFenellaPrism a cynic might say she was using it to reinforce the unreasonableness of Kate re: later half in half out strategy. Re: lip gloss incident. Harry’s takeaway seems to be Kate seeks to compete with M. Ergo all unendurable.

Looking at ‘Spare’ I now hear the Windsors Harry actor’s voice :) Subject matter almost scarily similar.

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:18

Weepixie · 25/02/2025 16:13

Or cry and stay standing up at the same time

😂😂

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:19

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:16

@MissFenellaPrism a cynic might say she was using it to reinforce the unreasonableness of Kate re: later half in half out strategy. Re: lip gloss incident. Harry’s takeaway seems to be Kate seeks to compete with M. Ergo all unendurable.

Looking at ‘Spare’ I now hear the Windsors Harry actor’s voice :) Subject matter almost scarily similar.

The parody has become reality..

IdaGlossop · 25/02/2025 16:22

Treeleaf11 · 25/02/2025 16:01

The Meghan-Kate bridesmaid dress messages were what 2 weeks after Kate gave birth? If anyone had ordered me 2wks pp to drag my reluctant toddler to yet another dress fitting i would not have been happy

What strikes me as odd is Meghan's apparent lack of concern for 'the optics' of her own mega-high profile wedding. Why ever didn't she reply with something like 'Oh dear. I'm really sorry to hear Charlotte's upset. We need to sort this out as quickly as we can. Would it work if I asked the tailor to come to your apartment today to repin the dress so it can be altered? What time would work best? Hopefully, Charlotte will be able to have a fitting tomorrow.'

As she didn't do this, there are photos that will probably outlive Meghan showing the very droopy hem and poor little Charlotte standing on one leg because she wasn't allowed to wear tights. Windsor is not California 🙄

Onlyonekenobe · 25/02/2025 16:24

User14March · 25/02/2025 15:49

I just looked back at Spare & the email interchange between Kate & M as outlined. Harry things it shows Kate as totally unreasonable, arguably it does the opposite.Even with the stress around her father M comes across as an imperious boss dealing with a recalcitrant subordinate:

Kate to M ‘Charlotte’s dress is too baggy, too big she cried when she tried it on at home’.

M: ‘Right, I told you the tailor has been standing by since 8am. Here. At KP. Can you take Charlotte to have it altered as the other Mums are doing’

Kate thought the dresses probably needed remaking & wedding only a few days away but not impolite.

M ‘I am not sure what else to say, if the dress doesn’t fit then take Charlotte to see Ajay, he’s been waiting all day’.

H - ‘a short time later I arrived to find Meg on the floor sobbing’.

‘Kate hadn’t meant any harm I told her. The next day Kate came by with flowers and a card to say she was sorry’.

I am left wondering how staff fare when M stressed.

That whole saga was so ridiculous, on the part of both women. I consider myself to be a normal woman, normal mother, good self-esteem, plenty of good friends of decades' standing, good relations with pretty much all my extended family - basically as I see the majority of MN users. Here's what I thought about the below:

Kate to M ‘Charlotte’s dress is too baggy, too big she cried when she tried it on at home’. [Give over. She's 3yo. If she cried it wasn't because the dress was too baggy. It was because there were people fussing and losing their minds around her/ she was tired or hungry or both/ she was being shoved into a dress and poked with pins when she just wanted to draw or play. Just say what you think and ask for what you want]

M: ‘Right, I told you the tailor has been standing by since 8am. Here. At KP. Can you take Charlotte to have it altered as the other Mums are doing’ [Obviously Meghan had already told Kate the dress might not be right and adjustments would need to be made and told her the tailor is available. But "Right"??? "I told you"??? Who do you think you are? So rude! """Here. At KP "- fuck off lady, that's been my home longer than you've lived in the country. "As the other Mums are doing"? I'm not the other Mums, and Charlotte isn't the other children - we are your future family members and I'll remind you that I'm doing this because I have to not because I want to, unlike those other Mums for whom your wedding is their ultimate moment. This is your wedding and your problem, you need to sort this shit out not me, I've got a million other things I need to be doing such as tending to my newborn.]

Kate thought the dresses probably needed remaking & wedding only a few days away but not impolite.

M ‘I am not sure what else to say, if the dress doesn’t fit then take Charlotte to see Ajay, he’s been waiting all day’. [Fair enough, there probably wasn't much more to say. But NOBODY tells me or commands me, and I'm not the future queen of England! A "all I can suggest is that you take Charlotte to see Ajay", or "why don't you take the dress and Charlotte to see Ajay" wouldn't go amiss. I wouldn't speak to my own younger siblings like this let alone a future SIL who happens to be senior to me in a hierarchy I am choosing to join! And this isn't a cultural difference: here (where I live in the USA) and in the UK (where I grew up) this is ungodly rude]

H - ‘a short time later I arrived to find Meg on the floor sobbing’. [ffs 🙄]

‘Kate hadn’t meant any harm I told her. The next day Kate came by with flowers and a card to say she was sorry’. [perfect diplomacy, and very different from accepting guilt or taking responsibility - and I don't entirely believe the "to say she was sorry", that's almost certainly Harry's take on it]

Anyone who's planned a wedding can imagine the stress involved. And sure the "Meghan made Kate cry" headlines must have felt like an unfair character assassination. But to read such personal victimhood into this to the extent of talking about it on Oprah and writing about it in Spare, and to accept zero % of the responsibility or the possibility of such in recounting the affair YEARS later, speaks to such a high level of self-absorption as to belie an interest in attack, not just defence. THIS behaviour is what employees mean by "quiet shouting" when she bullies them. Rude, dismissive, belittling, crying when she feels slighted, playing the victim, vengeful, all hingeing on the tiniest shred of entitlement (the stressed out bride in this case).

Meghan isn't a feminist or ambitious and seeking female empowerment: she is interested in advancing herself and herself only, and weaponising whatever she can to get her way then hiding behind "oh they can't handle a strong and ambitious woman". Anyone who stands in her way is dispensed with, anyone she needs is love-bombed. That's not ambition. That's ugly greed. She doesn't know how to work collaboratively. Either she calls the shots or nothing.

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:24

Does it all boil down to neither M or H hearing the word ‘NO’ enough in formative & later years? I am struck in Spare H never seems to consider anything at all might be largely his fault.

IdaGlossop · 25/02/2025 16:27

Words · 25/02/2025 11:51

That first photo is gorgeous. Beautiful hair. Why hide it? Rather think her nose has been reshaped too. Why disguise her ethnicity?

So she could say she wanted acting roles as Caucasian person.

Rhaidimiddim · 25/02/2025 16:29

JADS · 25/02/2025 15:48

Phillip, Charles and Harry all have quite close set eyes. In the baby video, Archie has them too.

There's a picture of Phillip with a big bushy naval beard and he and Harry look very similar.

George looks a lot like both William and Diana (The baldness doesn't suddenly stop him looking like his mum no matter what Harry think!). Charlotte looks like the Queen and Sarah Chatto and Louis looks like Grandpa Middleton.

https://www.elle.com/culture/g22072707/prince-harry-prince-philip-look-a-like/

Edited

I think George has got James Middleton eyes

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:29

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:24

Does it all boil down to neither M or H hearing the word ‘NO’ enough in formative & later years? I am struck in Spare H never seems to consider anything at all might be largely his fault.

I think that's a very good point. Two very indulged people, always getting their own way....

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:32

@Onlyonekenobe very good unpacking of situation. M needs s Mumsnet ‘did you mean to be so rude’ & if staff I’d not be scared to say if warranted ‘how dare you speak to me like that’.

Do you think M did a Miranda Priestly on Kate or staff ‘that’s all’ deadpan expression…

MissRoseDurward · 25/02/2025 16:35

H - ‘a short time later I arrived to find Meg on the floor sobbing’.

Anyone think she waited until she heard Harry's key in the door before arranging herself gracefully on the hearth rug?

The lipgloss thing is nonsense. I wouldn't share my lipgloss with anyone, and I wouldn't want to use ayone else's used lipgloss. I'd probably give it away if I had a spare in my bag.

LaMarschallin · 25/02/2025 16:36

Onlyonekenobe

Kate hadn’t meant any harm I told her. The next day Kate came by with flowers and a card to say she was sorry’. [perfect diplomacy, and very different from accepting guilt or taking responsibility - and I don't entirely believe the "to say she was sorry", that's almost certainly Harry's take on it]

Indeed.
I remember once, on a now defunct message board, I got into a wrangle with another poster and eventually said something like "Look, I'm sorry if I've sounded angry. We're obviously not going to see eye to eye on this, so let's drop it".
Which for ever after was framed as "Well, you were the one who had to say you were sorry!".
It sounds very much as if Kate's peace-making gesture was used to to beat her with similarly: "She had to apologise because she was wrong".
Tooth-grindingly annoying.

JADS · 25/02/2025 16:37

I haven't read all of Spare, but I have skimmed it.

The bridesmaid dress saga seemed utterly petty and ridiculous. When the first "Meghan made Kate cry" story came out, I figured that Catherine was just a bit overwhelmed being post partum. As Meghan and Harry's have picked over the story, it has become clear that any organisation had gone to shit and that Catherine (and possibly Charlotte) got spoken to in a nasty manner.

They have both tried to bash Catherine and it just makes them look like a pair of mean bullies and blights their attempts at looking all caring and sharing.

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:38

Yes, @LaMarschallin , and a measure of the relative maturity of both parties.

IdaGlossop · 25/02/2025 16:38

MissRoseDurward · 25/02/2025 16:35

H - ‘a short time later I arrived to find Meg on the floor sobbing’.

Anyone think she waited until she heard Harry's key in the door before arranging herself gracefully on the hearth rug?

The lipgloss thing is nonsense. I wouldn't share my lipgloss with anyone, and I wouldn't want to use ayone else's used lipgloss. I'd probably give it away if I had a spare in my bag.

I thought so as soon as I heard this.

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:39

MissRoseDurward · 25/02/2025 16:35

H - ‘a short time later I arrived to find Meg on the floor sobbing’.

Anyone think she waited until she heard Harry's key in the door before arranging herself gracefully on the hearth rug?

The lipgloss thing is nonsense. I wouldn't share my lipgloss with anyone, and I wouldn't want to use ayone else's used lipgloss. I'd probably give it away if I had a spare in my bag.

And possibly not for the first time evidence might suggest.

Spectre8 · 25/02/2025 16:41

MummyJ12 · 25/02/2025 15:17

Blake Lively is a perfect example of this. By all accounts she’s completely awful to work with but stories are only coming out now (or being listened to) following the saga of It Ends With Us.
It seems that Hollywood will turn a blind eye to bad behaviour until the star is no longer bankable and/or involved in some toxicity.

Is this after you take out all the articles and comments that have been out there deliberately by the pr agency he hired to deliberately smear her and take her down? Or are we just ignoring that fact?

Just pointing that out ...not looking to derail the thread

IdaGlossop · 25/02/2025 16:49

User14March · 25/02/2025 16:39

And possibly not for the first time evidence might suggest.

This is why they needed a floating floor in the yoga studio at Frogmore Cottage 🙄

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:49

Imagine how desperate they were to slag off Kate that they picked on her about lipgloss! How petty. Imagine if she had done anything mean!

isaknowsbest · 25/02/2025 16:50

Plenty of threads about Blake Lively elsewhere I imagine.

MummyJ12 · 25/02/2025 16:54

Spectre8 · 25/02/2025 16:41

Is this after you take out all the articles and comments that have been out there deliberately by the pr agency he hired to deliberately smear her and take her down? Or are we just ignoring that fact?

Just pointing that out ...not looking to derail the thread

I stand by my post. Read the court documents not the articles.
Watch the junkets where Blake completely minimises DV, (film related) and choosing to plug her hair care line instead. The PR company didn’t need to run a smear campaign. She’s her own worst PR disaster. Oh and have you seen the interview where she intimidates the poor journalist and is a complete nightmare. The lady who has said following this, she almost gave up her career?!
Co stars who have been bullied and sacked. Directors who have had control taken away because “she needs” authorship” (her words).
Yes, exactly like Meghan and enough of the derail.

MissFenellaPrism · 25/02/2025 16:59

IdaGlossop · 25/02/2025 16:49

This is why they needed a floating floor in the yoga studio at Frogmore Cottage 🙄

😂

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