How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

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I posted this question below on page 26, I don’t think I have seen a reply @JoyousGreyOrca so will post again

Have you responded to the question why your life is going to be better if the monarchy is abolished or have I missed it?

Seriously, that’s your question? You can’t come up with any reasons?

@BigWillyLittleTodger Trust levels are increased in a society where institutions act fairly and equitably and are seen to do so as they are transparent. The Royal family is an anachronistic institution with a total lack of transparency, dodgy dealings such as suitcases of cash, alleged rapist of a sex trafficked teenager escaping any justice, changing hundreds of laws to protect their wealth, and much more.
I do not think it is healthy for either the individuals within that institution or for wider society for such an institution to exist. We are all happier when we can trust our institutions, and any wrong doing is swiftly addressed.

I think something people don’t often realise is that obligation, duty and fear of upsetting family members leaves an indelible mark.

I left the family firm years ago due to ill health. I still more than 20 years later feel I let them all down even though I know it was right for me.

I should imagine there are family firms, farms, businesses where a lot of family members feel the same as me.

I should imagine it the same for a lot of the RF and also not knowing anything much out of the RF bubble.

@JoyousGreyOrca Tree best add government and the church to your list, they all meet that criteria

No more or less complex than disentangling from government. If it happens it will emanate from government.

HMQ attended the religious blessing, which as Head of the CofE she deemed the important bit.

So we can strip the Monarchy from the government.

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Hyperbole again. But your post still isn't really explaining how abolishing the monarchy will make your life better. Can you give specific examples?

@Reetpetitenot I have explained it. Sorry you do not fully understand

Or you could separate church and state. Look at Charles II. Very live and let live. Officially C of E king, Catholic wife, both Protestant and Catholic whores, to paraphrase Nell Gwynn. Seems like one of the happier time periods.

I seem to remember a few kings being excommunicated and they still kept on ruling.

I can assure you my husband and I are very aware of the importance of our heads.

One of the main criticisms of Henry VI was that he spent too much time praying and not enough time ruling.
I'm surecthatvif William devoted hours every day to prayer he would be criticized even more for being lazy and not lauded for his piety.

You really haven't. You have given no tangible way your life would be better if we didn't live in a constitutional monarchy.

@Reetpetitenot I think you might be waiting a while

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If we can separate church and state, and I do think it will need to happen, we can also separate royal family and state i.e. make them a private family.

Questions on this thread I asked you and you didn't answer. Copied and pasted directly from my posts and in bold. I am not counting other posters' replies as answers, since these questions were asked of you directly following things you posted:

Who is leading the charge? What's stopping them now? What is Republic's model of future governance if it's they who want this and want to persuade the public?

You haven't answered the other questions. What is the model for the UK republic that is being tabled? What powers will the head of state have?

Also, as a general election costs in the region of £150m, are we doubling that budget for head of state elections too, or are their costs savings?

What will be the security and housing costs be for a president, and will this be any cheaper than the amount paid for the RF now?

Will the British taxpayer still be paying for the upkeep of the royal residences that are publicly owned? If not, what will happen to them?

What are you proposing happens to the RF? Orf with their heads? Or are they allowed to live in peace? Will they get security paid for them by the state, since they will be vulnerable?

[In reply to your snark in my direction about having no ambition for this country I asked:] Would you like to set out your ambition for the country, and how/what things will improve under your model for the material betterment of its populace?

You were directed to the Republic site for answers.
I am not a member of Republic so I am obviously not going to answer questions about their models or ideas. Everything I know is on their site.

I do not want a Head of State to have any powers. They should be there for soft diplomacy only.

I have suggested that Head of State elections could be included as part of general elections. This would limit any cost.

How can I possibly know what the housing and security costs would be for a Head of State when we do not know the current cost for the Royal family. these costs are not transparent. Of course it would be less. We would not have all the hangers on for a start.

The Royal residences could be passed over to the NT or a similar body. They could all be opened to the public and become money making, but they need a body with experience of managing and maintaining historic houses.

The Royal family will become a private family. If they need security, that will be assessed like any private citizen. It would not be automatic, but would be based on risk.

Trust in public institutions is at a very low point. That lack of trust allows populists to come to the fore which is terrible for our country and our economy. Restoring trust in public institutions is vitally important. It is part of defending democracy.

'Trust in public institutions is at a very low point. That lack of trust allows populists to come to the fore which is terrible for our country and our economy. Restoring trust in public institutions is vitally important. It is part of defending democracy.'

Surely then, trust in govt should be at the top of your agenda, seeing as it's govt that has the day to day running of the country and control and power over our lives, not the figurehead monarch?

There is considerable distrust in the police, the judiciary, the NHS, the Civil Service, the education system, the university establishment, local and central government, our state broadcaster the BBC. You name it. All these institutions have a considerable, daily effect on UK citizens, much, much more so than anything the royal family are doing. How is abolishing the royal family curing any of the problems within those institutions? How is having a royal family preventing governments from sorting their own houses out?

Trust in all public institutions needs to be restored.
That includes the Head of State.