How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

I don't really get the "we could end up with an awful president" argument - of course we could. But we could also have ended up with Prince Andrew representing us to the world. I would probably prefer Carrie Johnson

I find your post unpleasant. There has not been any nastiness about Kate on this thread. Just because someone doesn't think harry and meghan are evil and want to question the Monarchy and their role in today's society doesn't make them hateful. Your comment is very personal and not nice.

Why can't we discuss the Monarchy without being shut down doing so.

Civil service committee that do security clearance on the person. So no criminal records, no hints of impropriety, no rumours about being a paedophile, no dodgy friends or family, no financial impropriety. Also no clear association with one political party e.g. as an activist, politically neutral. I have held a job where you had to be seen as politically neutral, so there is already criteria for this.

What an awful comment and full of lies.

Do you want to read your own post? You said it would be restricted to those born in the UK. Which would exclude Joanna Lumley and many immigrants who have contributed a hell of a lot to the UK.

@flapjackfairy Your really nasty nasty comment has upset me. I am a real person you know.

Kate has been continuously accused of being lazy doing nothing worthwhile and being unwilling to pull her weight gping forward even when the children are older ( there is that gift if foresight again ) . And her and William are only interested in money grabbing whilst Charles ( a man in his 70s undergoing cancer treatment, as has Kate if course ) is also lazy and isn't attractive enough to command attention alongside his frumpy wife. You must be reading a different thread !
You only have to.read any.other threads involving H and M to see the same posters agenda .

@flapjackfairy You are making things up.
I said even before she had cancer Catherine had a low number of engagements.
I did NOT say Charles is lazy. I did say he was not glamorous. I did say Camilla is not glamorous.
I did say that I doubt Catherine and William will do more engagements when their children have grown up is unlikely, given their track record.

That DOES not deserve your extremely nasty and personal comments directed towards me.

And I am NOT a Harry and Meghan fan. The push to divide people into William and Catherine or Harry and Meghan fans drives me crazy.
I do not care about Harry and Meghan as they are not working Royals. So they are irrelevant.
William and Catherine are the future King and Queen so they do matter to the future of the Royal family.

And it is this level of very personal nastiness towards anyone who is critical of the Royal family that chases people away from this board.

Oh FFS! Too old to bring any glamour? 😂 Can you hear yourself?!

Yes I did say that.
You accused me of saying "Charles isn't attractive enough to command attention alongside his frumpy wife."
Which is NOT true.

Alright... I'll aim to get us back on track..

I don't think the 'Royal Family' will ever end - because unless the republican revolution does away with all titles they will keep the duke level titles and exist as another old 'aristocratic' family with the large private property portfolio and some good money management for their income/investments. They'll be able to make a lot more money without public scrutiny and have a truly luxurious and happily private life. And the UK will start griping about how much tax payers money is being wasted on the new President.

So the big question is when will the system of constitutional monarchy end.

I think based on the complex and expensive nature of change that - assuming nothing awful happens to the Waleses and we have a Harry/Andrew heir looming - Charles is popular enough and will get the 'grandpa' of the nation sentiment over the next ten years to last him though his old age. So say we have 10-15 more years with Charles. William becomes king at 55. There will be a surge of popularity for Kate and Wills and the then appealing young Wales in their 20s - lots of lovely gossip for the tabloids at a new range of royal girlfriends and boyfriends. Will lives to 90 so that's another 40 years, and assuming George or Charlotte even haven't really screwed up they will also be a 50 year old monarch. So that gets us to 2075/80 - who knows what the state of the world will be like by then - monarchy might seem outdated, or it might have come around again in a retro way if the world has had a half-century of Trump-like villains ruling the world.

I will most likely not be around by then so I'm afraid I will never know!

It’s surprising how often it happens JoyousGreyOrca so I understand your frustration.

I’m afraid it’s a script designed to derail.

I am interested in the subject of the sovereign grant if anyone has any further information? I don’t quite understand the system.

Are the public informed if excess monies are paid back in to the public pot?

If so, when did that last happen?

Your posts are dripping with bitterness and hatred for Kate and William. #Jealousmuch 😆

However 'bad' they are, they are still 10 times better than the ghastly twosome Harry & Meghan. I cringe inwardly every time I see their petulant little faces. #AttentionSeeking #GriefTourists #TimeToSueSomeoneDarling

You are clearly replying to the wrong poster. I never 'accused' you of any such thing!

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They publish accounts every year, but not sure how long they stay on the website. If you click on the link I shared above that's the 23/24 document.

The money doesn't go back into a 'public pot' once released to the Sovereign Grant.

The basics are:

The Crown Estates generate an annual profit.
They hand over the profits to the government and then Charles is given back a percentage to cover the costs of running the official duties of the royal household. Currently, that percentage is 25% because of extra money needed to renovate Buckingham Palace. But before that it was 15%.

So 75%-85% of the money generated by the Crown Estates does go into the public pot and is spent by the government on our behalf.

The Sovereign Grant is the other 15-25%.

If the SG money is not completely spent any leftover is added to a reserve pot.
The reserve pot is capped at a specific figure. If the reserve pot is consistently 'overflowing' that gives the government the sign that the SG budget should be reconsidered and lowered.

That's the most simplistic view of it - it's a bit more complicated with which year is used to calculate the present year's profit etc. And there is a rule in place to guard against low profits from the estates gutting the SG budget which means that if profits have dropped unexpectedly (like in the Covid years) the SG is maintained at the level of the previous year and doesn't go down proportionately.

But it doesn't mean the SG can never be reduced. The oversight is mainly from the Prime Minister's office and the Chancellor of the Exchequer so they can overrule the monarch on budget needs if they want to.

The sovereign grant is currently 25% of the crown estates profits. The rest goes to the government. But if the crown estate makes less money next year, then the sovereign grant is not reduced.

And your posts aren't dripping with what you accuse others of?
Why don't you ignore Harry and Meghan if they give you so much grief. They are very easy to ignore
Give it up, they left years ago

Harry and Meghan are irrelevant to the institution of the Royal family. Their private relationships e,g, father/son, really are none of our business.

What a shame that a thread in the Royal family topic that is for once not about a certain couple has been derailed.

@JoyousGreyOrca hope you’re ok

You want to get rid of the King’s Trust. What a fool you are.

So why are Harry and Meghan continually acting more like royalty than the rf, with their pseudo tours and their 'charity' work, their insistence on the use iof titles? Being royal is all they have.

Who wants to get rid of that?

Have I missed something?

It's brilliant what was Princes Trust and is now Kings Trust