How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

Can we not derail with this.surely? There's enough threads on how awful they are elsewhere, why do we have to go into all of this on a thread about the monarchy and it's future

It never stops. It is really really boring

It is very tiresome

Thank you! A bit shaken, but okay.

They are irrelevant to the question. Totally irrelevant.

Take it up with JoyousGreyOrca

I was responding to your own post........

Well you want to get rid of the king.

For the tenth time (can't count, maybe more maybe less) I have not said that. in the next two or three generations there were still be a monarchy and I have never said that the king's Trust should be got rid of.
I hope I am clear on that for you

Why are you making things up?

The Kings Trust can continue. It is a charity that raises its own money anyway.

Get your facts straight, I said if in the 1980’s we had a republic JS would have been a possibility as HOS, stop trying to twist my words. You want an elected head of state, you will get who you are given by the great British public and you will just have to deal with the fact that it could be some undesirable character who doesn’t fit your republican eutopia, whoever the public vote in should make you rejoice! even if it was Carrie Johnson it would be mission accomplished for you, it should make you very happy.

That's very noble of you.

No. But it is not legally tied to the institution of the Royal family in any way. It is an independent charity.

Have you responded to the question why your life is going to be better if the monarchy is abolished @JoyousGreyOrca or have I missed it?

You're really, absolutely determined that the royal family are not involved in anything positive, aren't you.

It's an MN thread and they do tend to divert. Why would Harry not pop up like Andrew does in every thread? We're always being told Harry is part of the RF blah blah.

It makes sense that much of the sovereign grant is being spent on crown properties. A previous thread mentioned that many properties were old and landmarks and nedd to be updated.

William spent millions of his pwn money to build supportive housing. If I were in his position, I would maximize my savings so that if my housing project worked, so would build more supportive housing. He may chose to do so in the future.

I'm also wondering if older royals are refusing to delegate? Does anyone know if Charles really wants to hand over lots of responsibilities to William?

This has occurred to me too. Charles has waited a long time to be king. He had huge shoes to fill and knows he could never hope to match the popularity of his mother, , but I imagine he would be determined to try to make his mark. I wonder if he wants to make the most of the job, and do everything he possibly can despite his cancer, and does not want to deputise William or anyone else if he can help it. He certainly seems to be enjoying himself. He's reputedly a workaholic and has always had numerous interests, so being as buy as he is is not out of character, cancer or no cancer.

Hopefully, Charles is also being a decent grandpa, and letting his son get on with having the relationship with his wife, and his grandchildren the close family upbringing, that he was not able to experience/give his own children. William and Catherine breaking the familial cycle of decades of awful/absent/neglectful parenting going back to the days of Queen Victoria and beyond is a good thing. On a purely human level, people resenting that determination and criticising them for it is quite sad.

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I agree. William is going to be King until he dies most probably, no retirement. So why not make the most of being with his children whilst he can?

The rabid Sussex fans like to beat the drum that William is unpopular because it helps them
comfort themselves that Harry would be a better king. Except William is always massively popular in polls and most people (who aren’t die hard republicans or shilling for MM) think he’ll be a better king than his father.

It doesn’t take a lot of brains to read and learn about the British constitution or read the history of the royal family. Perhaps some Republicans could try it so they stop making basic factual errors.

How bloody rude and ageist.

I’ll go back to reading the rest of the thread but had to comment on this.

Thank you very much for this very full explanation Wordler, I don’t think I have read as detailed a summary of it before!

It’s quite complicated isn’t it?!

So presumably the. Crown Estates that generate the profits are the Duchies? Is that correct?

And I suppose my next question is; how does the PM’s office and that of the C of the Exchequer know that the full profits are handed over initially? Who does the accounts? Are they independently verified?

And does the Sovereign Grant go to maintain Bagshot Park and Gatcombe Park and Prince William’s properties too?

In other words, are they used to maintain the properties that are privately owned , as well as the state owned ones too?

Thanks again.

I think this is maybe more to do with Kate’s underlying health condition.

I have one and the amount of times I suddenly couldn’t do the school run or pick up was probably at least once a week and dh would have to go into work late or work from home.

But I may also be projecting and just guessing. No one really knows.