How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

Yes, again that’s reasonable adjustments. He was also in training to become the next King.

It’s quite common for people to job share when they still want to work but cannot do everything the job requires due to whatever circumstances.

You know that do you? I really could do with your crystal ball, it might help me figure out what numbers to put on the lottery!

What about the CEOs?

@JoyousGreyOrca did you want a link to the full 2022 Ascension speech that @DappledThings referenced as it includes the comment about Camilla being known as QC - only you've not acknowledged it/your error?

I'm waiting for all the Archewell paperwork to be filed and reviewed by CharityWatch.

You should petition for it. Let us know how it goes?

The fact that we have President Trump (democratically elected HOS, remember), would belie that sentiment.

Oh just a side note on this. I can’t say this for all employees and employers obviously, but the woman I work with (that I mentioned in the previous post) actually did come back part time job sharing and working from home, but was still paid her original wage. Something to do with a phased return/sick pay policy. We are very fortunate to work for such a good company (government workers), I know not all places do this.

And yet despite this William and Catherine are currently the most popular members. Maybe people like that they are so family orientated and put their kids first?As I said upthread, maybe people should be looking into why people prefer a constitutional monarchy/why William and Catherine are so popular (despite so many people on this thread labelling them as work shy)/why so many people like the royal family etc, rather than pondering what is going to bring them down?

Honestly, I think a lot of their popularity has to do with Harry and Meghan's unpopularity.

I found this post on tumblr, talking about the media treatment of Kate since the day the media found out she was dating William.

https://www.tumblr.com/na19love/772792617868132352/untitled?source=share

They were never really popular in the media. You can even go back to blogs and forums in the 2010s, most the comments about them were negative while Harry was the golden boy of the family.

Even when Meghan arrived, the press was more positive towards Meghan than Kate.

The popularity shift really started happening after the Oprah interview but they should be careful.

I feel like KateGate did some damage to William's image and more and more people feel like Kate is taking advantage of her illness to avoid more. It's great that she was able to take a year off but sadly, that's not the norm for most people.

it cannot help William’s resolve when he sees his cousins having escape. he must feel like the last man standing

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some jealousy. He's basically stuck in this royal bubble

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread but surely the answer to.the of the royal family's survival is clear ?
Bring back the sainted pair...you know the hard working ( ha ha ) , dedicated and perfect Harry and Meghan. They should obviously be installed as the rightful King and Queen so certain people can fawn all over them and William and Kate should obviously be beheaded at the Tower.
The motivation for starring this " debate " is so obvious it is pathetic frankly.
Harry and Meghan were not more hardworking than the others but they were/are great at PR

Only up to a point. It's a complex situation because they will have been brought up in a particular way and with obvious material privilege, so will be used to it (through no fault of their own). But you can be comfortably wealthy - country house, pied-a-terre in London, nice cars, private school, nice clothes - without the level of expenditure it takes to run the palaces etc. So I think, say, William would be very happy to trade those millions for a better work-life balance.

Honestly, looking back, from the outside looking in, you can see that the happiest time of William in the past 15 years was when he was an air ambulance pilot. Even the photos of him and Kate back then, they looked so carefree

Camilla is Queen Consort, as was Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandre, Queen Charlotte, Queen Catherine of Aragon etc etc

It is to distinguish them from being Queen Regnant, as the late Queen was.

Queen Consort is such a mouthful it ends up being short handed to Queen. I'm pretty sure no one is confused as to who is Regnant and who isn't.

As does the fact that Joe Biden and Ronald Reagan were clearly losing their facilities in office but kept doing the job.

@smilesy Well the late Queen was certainly a popular and well respected HoS throughout the world. What glamour did she bring to the role at 96? What has glamour got to do with it? If we became a republic, would we only elect “glamorous” HoS? How shallow would that be? And what sort of candidates would we have?

Quite - but (tangent) & I shall say this only once 😊I actually think Camilla can dress really well and look quite glam - not in the same way as someone 30 years her junior but I think she can look fabulous at times.

But yes not really the point . I shall shuffle off the stage now. 😂

So Catherine has been more bullied in the UK media than Meghan?!!!! And of course there is "Spare" which I read courtesy of my local library. It's impressive that Catherine has survived so many years of harassment and still comes across as engaged and pleasant.

In the US, the recent PR about Harry and Meghan has not been great. Interestingly The Hollywood Reporter and Vanity Fair, as well as Justine Bateman, are still lawsuit -free.

Being older doesn’t mean you can’t be glamorous!

Harry and Meghan were not more hardworking than the others but they were/are great at PR

This is absolutely hilarious! They lunge from one PR disaster to another! Often daily recently, they are absolutely dreadful at PR as their popularity indicates Disaster Tourists anyone??

Not sure why there is all this handwringing about Charles being too ill and decrepit to be HOS we already have that covered so no need for all the angst.

Regency
In a Regency, a “Regent” is appointed to act on the monarch’s behalf.
A Regency applies if a monarch succeeds to the Throne before the age of 18, or if a monarch becomes permanently incapacitated due to “infirmity of mind or body”.
If a monarch becomes permanently incapacitated, the Regent assumes most of the monarch’s “Royal functions”, except granting Royal Assent to a Bill which alters the line of succession or the Scottish system of Presbyterian church government.
The Regent is the heir to the Throne unless they have not reached the age of 18. In such a case, the Regent is the next in the line of succession who has reached the age of 21.

thats it thanks, I couldn't remember the name.

I got t it wrong it's Dumfries House, someone corrected me upthread!

like you i knew it was dum something lol

This is absolutely hilarious! They lunge from one PR disaster to another! Often daily recently, they are absolutely dreadful at PR as their popularity indicates Disaster Tourists anyone??

Hate them or love them, they're still top 5 most talked about royals in the world still in 2025. Any publicity is good publicity.

You also can't deny that their PR when they were working royals were good. Better than Kate and William's, that's for sure and I'm not even a fan.

So Catherine has been more bullied in the UK media than Meghan?!!!! And of course there is "Spare" which I read courtesy of my local library. It's impressive that Catherine has survived so many years of harassment and still comes across as engaged and pleasant.

I think you cannot compare the way Diana, Kate and Meghan were treated.

Diana was truly the media princess. She was on the cover of magazines pretty much everyday and had paparazzis following her everywhere.

Kate suffered the same treatment as Diana (paparazzis and nasty headlines especially) for a few years and had no royal protection but I think she was the first Internet princess. A lot of these old royal blogs peaked during the 2000s

Meghan didn't really faced the same treatment as Diana and Kate. She didn't have people camp outside of her house everyday for years but I think she was the first Social media princess. Yes, she's had bad press but a lot of people don't get their news from traditional media but on social media. Most of the hate she gets is on social media.

I think "glamour" is very important for Kate's popularity in particular

Almost all of the positive commentary I have seen on social media on Kate is about her looks or what she wears. Rarely if ever about anything she says or does.

It was less important for the late Queen because there was more substance there

And I wonder what names the media will be talking about in 10 or 15 years time. I wonder if the press will be reined in as far as females the two sons might be getting to know. I hope so because it really is relentless. No wonder the marriage pool is very small for royals

We have a very different political system to the US. Do you remember when Boris Johnson tried to bypass Parliament by proroguing it so he could make unilateral decisions as Trump is? He was forced to quickly reopen it.

Exactly! They either need to do things where they convince people they are worth keeping, or bring glamour and entertainment.
They rely on Royals like Edward and Sophie to do many engagements, but the public is simply indifferent to them.

it will be interesting to see how things will pan out now they have only got 7 working royals (K&C/PAnne/E&S/W&K)
will they downside the housing?