Vanity Fair podcast

[Atlasvue]

Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

Is that true, that he has no memories of his mother? If so, that’s incredibly sad.

All he will have are second hand accounts from a dad who divorced her, paternal grandparents/aunts/uncles who were probably diplomatic and said very little, and his maternal relatives who are probably hagiographic and don’t hold back in their ill feelings towards his dad’s family with whom, as aristos, they probably already have a complex relationship. And, of course, the papers at the height of the tabloids’ worst excesses.

Of course he’s going to fill in the gaps with romantic notions, and see in the one woman who ever consented to marry him only what he wanted to see. For him this whole mess will be so much more than his marriage to Meghan, not to mention messing up his own kids as William isn’t messing up his…

They always manage a clapback against anything critical of them, I predict they will use 'a source' to put some kind of response out there.

Poor Harry won't be able to mention divorce and troll in the same sentence ever again though..

Scoobie Doo is uncharacteristically quiet today.

They don't need to lie low. They need to do what Harry has been trained to do: attend Invictus, smile consistently, make it about the injured veterans, and brush of any requests for comment.

Didn't he say in that docu-series that Meghan was so like his mother in every way?
My eyes were rolling so hard they hurt.

He was 12 when she died. Why would he have no memories of her?

I suspect Harry lives in a bit of a fantasy world helped along by the drugs. Whatever anyone says to him just goes over his head. He’s unhinged .
I don’t think Meghan is that different from him. They do seem to be pulling in different directions though as time goes on. Once he becomes more of a hindrance than an asset she will eject him and fly off.

So there was clap back from US weekly after the HR bullying article . Her staff claimed she the the perfect boss, handing out gift baskets etc
I'm not sure they will do that this time

They'd first need to find someone prepared to say it, @Atlasvue, and I expect that's becoming increasingly difficult - though anyone who refused would probably be instantly in the frame for "one of those who spoke to Vanity Fair"

One thing's for sure though; I wouldn't want to be part of that toxic atmosphere right now

In The Housekeeper's Diary (book banned in this country, written by the former housekeeper at one of the houses, forget which now), the author observed Diana squirreling herself away with William a lot and Harry being left in the nursery or with his father. I think he worshipped Diana, but she was wielding her influence on the future king, William, the person she hoped would leapfrog Charles to the throne. I can imagine that neither of them have many happy memories of her, and unhappy memories are the ones you tend to block out and compartmentalise.

To be fair they had to do the documentary and spare as they needed the money and their only currency was spilling royal secrets. I think they felt it would garner more sympathy and they could move on from it to more high brow endeavours. Problem is people who are interested in them are not interested in being “lifted up”- and inspired and whatever other nonsense they want to peddle. Their only options now for moment is a reality show or her modelling /acting. Seriously no idea what he does .. Polo flopped and I can’t see yet another mental health initiative is going to bring in the big bucks. I could see them moving to New York .. no way they are going to be able to fund that house for much longer under the lifestyle brand takes off

I got it slightly wrong. He said in the documentary he doesn't have many memories of her.

As a long time reader of these threads (and apologies if it's been discussed before) the one aspect that I simply cannot understand is why they have not over the last few years heeded any advice, presuming good advice has at some point been given. If I was behaving badly towards my staff repeatedly or was constantly making poor decisions on either a personal or professional basis I can guarantee that by now one of my close family or friends would have said "izzwizzo you are behaving like a tit" and even allowing for reduced self awareness there would come a point when I would indeed be aware that I was behaving like a tit and rectify it. They appear to have friends and by all indications are close to Doria so I am at a loss to understand why they keep making such similar mistakes. Psychologically it's fascinating. I cannot imagine having zero understanding of my behaviour especially when it's outside of what appears to be socially acceptable to the majority. It's just bizarre

"presuming good advice has at some point been given"

You can only assume these are the employees and friends who find themselves frozen out, .

Hmm. It sounds like he’s fishing for sympathy. “It’s almost like I’ve internally blocked them out” apart from the advice to be a cheeky chappy 🤷‍♀️.

eta This was meant to be linked to the post from @MaxMaxy above. Don’t know where it disappeared to 😆

My dad died when I was ten. I have no memories of him. My theory is it's a coping / survival thing - subconscious locked a door tight at the time so I wasn't overcome by painful memories, and it's stayed that way ever since.

I guess so. I would just think that internally at least you'd be thinking, maybe it is me. Especially if it's happened more than once. And then surely you'd at least speak to those close to you, gauge opinions from your friends etc. But then I suppose I don't live their life of privilege and/or power so people have a lot less to lose by being honest. I do remember an interview with Gwyneth Paltrow some time ago who recounted that her behaviour changed when she was in her twenties and won an Oscar and I think from memory it was her Dad who sat her down and told her that she was becoming an asshole. Excellent parenting imho

Given that advice and mentoring was refused when entering in to the alien environment of the Royal Family, it doesn’t seem likely that they are receptive to listening to any suggestions about their behaviour, or of any self reflection that they might indeed be the common denominator in all their problems

They haven’t got any friends. I’ve said this on here before there’s nobody on shit patrol. Nobody who will say to them stop being such dicks. Just yes men and women until they turn on them too.

Southpark very astutely listed MM's achievements as including "victim". Professional victims are never looking at themselves and their own behaviours as an explanation for their failures, and what they could do better or differently next time. It always has to be the fault of someone else, and as such, they have no reason to change because some meanie scuppered them. I think both she and Harry are incapable of taking any blame for their actions. Even when they appear to, they really don't. Like Harry professing regret over the Nazi uniform in one breath, and in the next blaming it on Catherine and William.

Everyone needs someone on shit patrol! Otherwise we'd all be insufferable. If neither of them have any true friends willing to tell them how it is or they won't listen, then they truly are up the creek without a paddle

I said I didn’t predict their marriage would last the day of their wedding. On here and IRL and was flamed 😂 people siad it was mean spirited and racist etc and I was like what, the reason I thought so was I predicted Meghan didn’t know what she was getting herself into and wouldn’t put up with the BS of the royal family. Woild never have been able to predict that she’d bring him with her away and that they’d both break out, that was a surprise, but I still don’t see this lasting. Once she’s milked him for all the royal glamour she can, she’ll get rid of him, she’s way too smart for him. I do feel sorry for him, he’s like a traumatized puppy, without enough strength or intelligence to sort himself out. If he’d met a les selfish woman who’d loved him for who he is, she may have been able to heal him, but alas, that isn’t what happened.

Btw, through my job I’ve met quite a few royals, British and from other countries (can’t say much more as would be too outing) and they’re all astonishingly strange. Like, really odd. I think they just live in such an alternate reality, they can’t be looked at the same way as us normies. Like, they’re so much weirder than even mega a-list celebrities. They genuinely perceive themselves as chosen, somehow, as granted their privileges by some otherworldly power. I don’t know if they actually believe that God gave them their privileges with their conscious parts of their minds, but they seem to believe so unconsciously. They see themselves as a class to themselves. I almost feel sorry for them, if it wasn’t for the fact that their beliefs make them extraordinarily arrogant and rude to anyone they perceive as beneath them, unless there’s cameras turned on.

William gave good advice to Harry at the beginning. 'dont rush into it, she doesn't know what she's getting into.' Harry was hugely offended from then on.
I suspect both H and M receive advice as an insult or criticism.

That’s interesting. I suppose originally Kings and Queens believed that God had chosen them. They thought they were special and separate because of that. Not because their ancestors had stolen lands, killed people and pillaged ( in Gods name). Some of that must linger on.

It would be fascinating to hear some examples of their behaviour.