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Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

Well I can’t say too much as it’s always very specific and outing. But one example I can give is that one royal I was assisting for a day (Not a British one), when I came to greet her in the VIP lounge at the airport, she gave me the elevator look. Scanned me from top of my head to my shoes.
it was extraordinary rude. First I was shocked - I thought royals we supposed to have impeccable manners. But as I reflected on it, I realized that to her I was not a “person” on her level. I was staff. A servant. And all she was doing was inspecting if the servant was appropriately dressed. At another point another royal was asked how many people there was room for in one of their properties and she said “7” and I was surprised as it’s a massive place and she then looked confused when I asked and then said “oh no I mean 7 of US, and then…I don’t know how many staff, quite a few”.

I can’t share examples of the most outrageous behaviors because it’s all too specific.

my impression is born and bred royals are really inhabiting a different psychological reality. That can’t help it, actually.

They’re waaay weirder than picture on the crown. The crown is clever marketing for the monarchy. They’re way way worse IRL.

To be fair they had to do the documentary and spare as they needed the money

Why wasn’t the many millions they had enough? They didn’t need to sell the family that way just to make a fast buck. Even with their relatively limited range of abilities he could have made money at the high-end event speaker market with positive and quirky stories of royal life (written for him by a speech writer). She could have continued acting or done her lifestyle thing but without slagging off the royals. Meghan was attracted by the concept of royalty and others drawn to that as a lifestyle element don’t want their dream undone.

I lost my mum when I was 7 and have plenty of memories of her so I find it bizarre that H should say he doesn’t have memories at an older age.
And for what it’s worth I haven’t used my mum’s death as an excuse to be a self obsessed whiner for the rest of my life.

It depends how traumatized you are. Also, maybe he didn’t spend as much time with her as media and various fiction would have you believe. Royals don’t spend a lot of time with their kids. I’d bet you Kate doesn’t either.

Was William not potentially equally traumatised though? Especially as he did spend a lot of time with his mother and she apparently used him as her confidante?

Eta Harry was less than a month off being 13 when Diana died. His birthday is September 15th

I take it you are condoning bullying then?

"Who cares if she’s a bully who shouts at her staff?" is just disgusting. How ironic that you complain about how Meghan and Harry are spoken about on social media, yet you think it's fine for her to bully their staff. What is actually wrong with you?!

The only "campaign" here is the one these two have carried on against themselves.

i forget how many years younger Harry is? Think even 2-3 years age difference makes a huge difference at that age. Also, people react differently to trauma.

No. Because he's bald. And....reasons. There is only one true son.

This is the level we're dealing with then....

Sorry, updated my post after you had posted. There is just over two years between them. I appreciate that people react differently to trauma, but Harry has apparently had endless amounts of therapy. He does not seem to have gained a great deal from it

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Well as I watched my mum die a long slow death from cancer and was then sent to live in a place I didn’t know with a father I had barely met who was abusive in every possible way then I would say H had a somewhat better time of it than me on the trauma front.
Instead of lolling about repeating Poor me I used my experience of knowing what is was to go through shit to help others going through shit and became a nurse for people with learning disabilities.
Prince Whinger has had every opportunity to make something of his life and he has chosen self indulgence instead.

Maybe Meghan should remember poor Caroline, and think about her when she's leaving her staff needing long term therapy!!

There but for the grace of God!

You have to be a fan when you've just condoned and minimised her bullying of staff. Nobody could be that deluded otherwise.

"think people H&M need to remember that H&M their staff are real people with children". There, fixed that for you!

If she didn’t use her Dutchess title to promote her products and herself, then she’d be exempt from - some - of the criticism.
personally, I think the monarchy is an anarchic and feudal institution which should be abolished the first chance we get. And no it’s not just innocent fun and the same as politicians. To continue upholding a system where some individuals are so absurdly privileged at birth is unhealthy for the entire nation and serves to justify and uphold the entire class structure of the UK and all countries who still have monarchies. Yes, removing the monarchy doesn’t magically do away with a class society - just look at France -but at least it’s a start. I cannot respect anyone who voluntarily associate themselves with the monarchy, so in my eyes Meghan wasn’t someone I’d respect from the beginning, when she broke out I thought oh cool! But then she hair went on to show that all she wanted was more attention, not exactly a republican rebellion.

on Harry, I consider him a deeply traumatized person. I don’t think he operates on a normal level and he may never be able to. He seems ok, he’s down stupid things but don’t think he seems mean, just a bit thick. If you don’t want media attention m, stay out of the spotlight. That’s not what they’re doing is it.

I agree. They needed income, long-term. But they could have holed-up for awhile (this was COVID lockdown times) and had a big strategic think about their future.

They needed income to sustain a ridiculously lavish lifestyle. They could’ve lived for the rest of their lives comfortably and slightly more modestly. Look at Jimmy Carter.

The Script. (I wish MN supported a calligraphic font that I could use here.)

theraphy isn’t magic. It can only do so much. If the person you’re working with isn’t capable or willing to take things on board or is too traumatized, it won’t help. Plenty of people (including some I knew) commit suicide after and despite years of therapy

not to say that I think - and god forbid! - he’d do that. Just to explain

Exactly!

The difference between 'need' and 'want'.
M wanted the Montecito spread, they didn't 'need' it.

I recall seeing a snippet of an interview in which H was saying how he wanted a simple life, without nannies and staff. (Was that the engagement interview?)

But what Meghan wants, Meghan gets...

Can you identify a country that doesn’t have a monarchy but also doesn’t have some kind of strong social hierarchy?

I can totally believe that. They inhabit a world we'll never know.

I recall seeing a snippet of an interview in which H was saying how he wanted a simple life, without nannies and staff.

I doubt he understood what that would look like or the input he would have to make into such a set up. Pushing the hoover round? Cleaning up wee when potty training? School run? Or not being able to go on holiday without the kids at the drop of a hat.

Presumably he didn’t have staff in the Army and was expected to clean up after himself.
I think I did read that his fridge in Not Cot would be filled with meals for him to eat by the staff though. I mean, could the man not manage to cook his own dinner? He seems to have just sat around playing video games whilst staff shopped, cleaned and filled his fridge. What a life for a grown man. No wonder he’s turned out like he has.

I caught a bit of some shudderingly dull and obsequious programme about the RF on TV the other day. Paul Burrell (🤮) , was droning on about how the Queen used to wash up sometimes after picnics as if this was the most amazingly virtuous thing a person in her position could ever do. I also remember reading that Princess Margaret couldn’t work a kettle. They really are incredibly infantilised.

Looks like Lady Louise could have a career in the army.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/32886119/lady-louise-windsor-army-recruitment-war-game/

William has talked about pivotal moment when he was working as an air ambulance pilot - seeing the trauma of the people and families they rescued day after day - where one day it was like something ‘unlocked’ inside him and all these feelings emerged and were particularly poignant because he was a father at that point, and that moment made him realize he needed to talk to someone and deal with what he was suddenly feeling.

So it’s possible both brothers locked down because of the trauma and the peculiar position they were in being the focus of national mourning.

Luckily for William he had Kate and all her family, and his stable family with his children and recognized that he needed help.

Presumably he didn’t have staff in the Army and was expected to clean up after himself.

He was an officer with men beneath him. I doubt he had to cook his supper or clean the toilets very often.