Vanity Fair podcast

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Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

I agree. Whilst Harry may be shocked at the reaction that his revelations have resulted in an estrangement from his family, deep down he knows that he will no doubt be saved from himself if his marriage fails and he needs future financial support.

You may be right in the sense that Charles (and even William) would not let him become bankrupt and on the streets, but I don't doubt that if he goes back with his begging bowl any help will come with massive strings steel cables attached.

Again I just think he lacks the insight to consider that in this situation they hold all the cards.

He can't threaten them with a tell all expose. He's already done that. If he went public saying they won't help him, most people would think, no shit Sherlock after they way you behaved.

He'd simply have to suck up whatever deal they offered and if it was me that would be life in "crappy" Nott Cott as a none working royal, banned from speaking to the press, with no patronages (including Sentable/Invictus) and not welcome at all public and private family events.

He probably still thinks it is his family who are being unreasonable and owe him an apology.

Realistically, I think there was only one way this particular pair could have made big money - and that would be through reality TV allowing cameras to follow their life. The other options that other versions of themselves could have taken to make money the real H&M were not clever enough to do.

I think you're probably right.

He's the anti-advert for therapy given the lack of self awareness he displays.

And as for M's alleged post divorce book...she's not going to get an award for mother of the year if she does that. Divorce is hard enough on children without one parent writing a tell all book about the other. As is A and L already face a lifetime of potential teasing about being the progeny of Prince Frosty Cock.

They really don't care who they throw under the bus for £££.

She might write one on the RF etc rather than PH specifically

The career thing is difficult. You either have to be within the royal family and do royal family stuff like William and Catherine, Sophie and Edward etc. Or you need to be slightly different like Zara, Peter, Viscount Linley who obviously have the royal connection but established their own careers.

You can’t just make a lucrative career of being royal and want to be paid for it unless you’re undertaking royal duties and being paid by the privy purse.

Otherwise you’ve got to create a career that actually pays you based on a skill set. Even Eugenie and Beatrice have actual jobs albeit that they also get funding from their father and some royal money as well.

Charles and Camilla are funded for “kinging and queening”. William and Catherine for “Prince and princessing” and being future heirs. But H & M are not going to be funded Stateside for “Harrying and Meghaning USA style.

Well given she was in the family for all of about 5 minutes it's not going to be a very long book 😂.

Yes this. It's absolutely pitiful / disgusting how they have squandered everything they had and were given.

MM at least grafted to get somewhere in tv.Harry has never grafted and has no idea what working for a living is. And in the end they are not known for being talented and hard working. But as grifters. I truly cannot see how they can come back from American Hustle.

It depends.

She’s clearly not above telling a couple of porkies (getting married 3 days before), insinuating things with wide eye ingenue (questions about Archie’s skin colour) & embellishing things that maybe happened (her miscarriage and falling to the floor in tears).

So yes the book with flowery prose could be long. Doesn’t mean it will be accurate.

I think it goes both ways. For example there are those here that will never admit there was a racist element to the initial press against her. Then there are others who say any negative press she receives is solely because of racism. Both are wilfully ignoring the evidence that doesn't support what they already think about her.

My favourite part is Harry wanting to interview Trump and Putin on being sociopaths because his mother was " murdered " but he became a good person instead.

His bravado is truly inspiring.

Similar has been discussed on MN, but the term used then was ‘foofstruck’

I do think Harry was dazzled - I remember thinking from early magazine pieces about her how she sounded made for him (it was the bit about her charitable visit I thought showed that had the right substance).

And Harry might well still be dazzled - not in a limerencd sort of way, but in happiness that he has found his soulmate sort of way. Even this hatchet job of an article describes in positive terms how very much in love they are.

It's more delusional to the point of psychotic break IMO. And quite disturbing if that is indeed a true reflection of how he thinks.

Anglophobia is already rife on US Twitter - so many Americans of all political persuasians just spitting bile at this country, encouraged by Musk and Trump and their awful behavior towards the UK and its government. The absolute last thing we need is a Harry-Meghan split bringing all these tensions to the surface. I'm quite serious when I say I do NOT want them to split, for this reason.

International divorces are horrible and depressing anyway. I am in an international marriage and it's grim when things go south. The US would never consent to the kids going to the UK with Harry and Meghan is unlikely ever to leave the US (she's the world's most American person, basically), so Harry would either be stuck there or have to limit himself to having the kids over in the UK for holidays, IF Meghan allowed this and didn't try to stop it. Just really depressing stuff.

I had assumed that Harry was probably enjoying his Cali life, but it does rather sound as though he has struggled with making friends and has not really built up an independent social life. That's no way to live, but it may be hard for him to leave now.

If this pair was smart, they'd use the excuse of the wildfires to move away from California and towards somewhere less celebrity-oriented, cheaper and more "normal," and use the moment to discreetly draw their horns in (financially speaking) - switch to a less luxurious house, sell some of the cars and stuff ("We're downsizing to somewhere a bit smaller as we move away from these fire-risk areas, so are doing some clearing out"), and just use this as an opportunity to carefully tone their whole lifestyle down while saving face. That, plus the inevitable help from Papa and whatever their invested millions are making, would probably remove the need to actually earn anything, and they could just live quietly and wait for attention to fade. They won't though, as Megz wants a big expensive lifestyle and will probably never leave Cali.

Why so much Anglophobia I wonder?

Anyone know what happened to the purported German documentary?

Not sure what's brought it to the surface, but it's very noticeable. Lots of Americans (on the left and center to an extent, as well as the right) jeering at Europeans for being poor and dependent on the US for their security, with Brits getting the worst jeering of all.

I see. Not great then thank you for taking the time to explain.

MM at least grafted to get somewhere in tv.Harry has never grafted and has no idea what working for a living is

I think his 10 years in the Army would count as a real job

Even Eugenie and Beatrice have actual jobs albeit that they also get funding from their father and some royal money as well.
They don’t receive any public money though and I doubt their father funds them- he is himself not rich. They work as do their husbands which is fair enough.
I’m actually impressed with them keeping their heads down. I wonder how close Eugenie really is to Harry.

"Currently, neither Beatrice nor Eugenie receive public funding for their activities or security, and are not officially classed as working royals."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.tatler.com/article/welcome-to-the-firm-could-prince-william-give-princess-beatrice-and-princess-eugenie-royal-duties%23:~:text%3DCurrently%252C%2520neither%2520Beatrice%2520nor%2520Eugenie,officially%2520classed%2520as%2520working%2520royals.&ved=2ahUKEwing-a2qIGLAxV-Z0EAHb8dLb8QFnoECBwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw36sjI8HO59O0EnGJR41iDb

Do Beatrice and Eugenie get housing in the UK?
Do Zara and Philip?
Or have they had to buy their own homes?

M& H if they'd played their cards right and left on good terms could have kept frogmore cottage, and spent summers at Balmoral and Christmas at Sandringham.
This would have given them star power in the US.
Americans but still in the family.

Utter stupidity with to do Oprah and Spare.

Beatrice and Eugenie have lived on the royal estate (Nott Cott and briefly Frogmore) but now both live with their families in their own homes

Princess Anne was given Gatcome as a present on her first marriage and kept it on divorcee. It’s an estate, not a single house, and I think both Peter and Zara live in properties there

I had imagined him moving to somewhere in the commonwealth or even an American ranch/vineyard and living the more simple life he said he craved. Possibly a little bit like escape to the chateau. I imagined some charity projects as part of this - maybe like Jamie’s kitchen or flintoffs cricket project or even animal conservation. Plenty of media scope with these kind of activities too. They could have done after dinner speeches and red carpets while keeping their powder dry with the RF. Kept something back to remain enigmatic and interesting, been less hypocritical when it came to the planet. I think KC would have respected something like this and would be willing to support them financially.

But I think she/they wanted a private jet/superstar/billionaire lifestyle and believed they deserved it just by virtue of who they were, revenge on the RF and no negative press. They aired all their dirty laundry in public and tried to promote themselves while putting others down.

A little earnest hard work and much more humility/discretion could have avoided all of this

Well, she does have a knack for saying in ten lines what most people would say in two. So she could in theory write a very long book about anything and/or nothing.

If she used Word’s handy grammar check and style prompter, that might help her improve her writing skills too.

Oh and I’m just discovering (as a frustrated editor) that you can give chat GPT a two-page rambling piece of wordy nonsense and ask it to boil it down to half the length. So there are tools out there for her…