Vanity Fair podcast

[Atlasvue]

Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

I have that feeling too. I’ve always been anti-monarchy but I’m the same generation as Will and Harry, so grew up alongside them and like many of us, was there for the horrendous post-Diana spectacle. They’re embedded in the public consciousness.

We’ve all been fed a redemption narrative, obviously, since the Nazi costume and naked Vegas stuff, but it was a redemption narrative that worked! (Like Camilla’s! Find myself genuinely fond of the old soak now.) He was the party prince made good, the guy who was great with people. There was genuine goodwill for H&M at their wedding, people wanted happiness for him; even with Megxit, people wanted this to be good for him – like his mother, he had escaped The Firm!

Whether they divorce or not, either way it’s all crumbled. And it needn’t have.

I also think that many of his UK friends were probably mutual with William and given the social heirarchy would 'side' with William.

I think it would be social death for any UK aristo to be seen to be publicly socialising / aligned with PH as he has been seen to smear not just his own family but their social structure etc.

I also dont think that he would ever return to the UK - he would never leave his DCs and MM will not let them travel to the UK.

And some could be invested in stocks,shares, funds, high interest rate accounts. All generating money. We don't know the finer details and of course time will tell but let's face it 5yrs later with no regular income and no real signs showing that they can't afford their life.

Those properties even if they sell less than what they paid for are still multimillion of dollars. They can sell up and still life an incredibly comfortable life that is still more than the average person.

They were not paid the NF money as salary, they were paid it to produce stuff - the cost of production came out of it, so whatever it was they would only have walked away with a proportion. Same with Spotify. I was going off a quick google. Current online estimates suggest he and Meghan have a joint net worth of $60 million. I rounded it up to £100 million so as not to be accused of underselling them to make my point.

I'd imagine those 'estimates' include the house, which is a depreciating asset, and a what we now know to be inflated idea of the NF deal. So I suspect even those 'estimates' are too generous.

But more to the point, where is the money going to come from going forward? There will be no more big money media deals. Spare was the big royal tell all which can't be replicated. I don't see Meghan's brand, if it ever materialises, being a big money maker. I'm sure they have investments which alone would be what most of us would consider a very large income, but that won't be enough for them.

As the VF article made clear, Harry has no idea how to function in even a very sheltered version of the real world. And Meghan's supposed savvy is clearly not what it was made out to be. It's a very precarious existence compared to the security and predictability of royal life.

Or BP will publish the results of their investigation into her bullying?

I expect though that they are keping their powder dry and will save that as a negotiating tool in case of any plans for a post divorce blab by MM.

I think that they didnt publish because it showed BP at fault as an employer not addressing the complaints appropriately which is shocking ..... but if she has been shown to bully before and after then maybe their poor management will be overlooked.

I do think that they made mistakes when they saw poor behaviour - they should have clipped their wings much sooner rather than what looks like rewarding them.

@pelargoniums I would concur with your assessment of how many felt about Harry but I don't agree with the point that everyone was happy when they left the UK. Most of the people I know - older admittedly and with a bit more knowledge about the Queen, her family etc were thinking what a pair of tossers they were. They compared a Queen who had given her whole life in service to her country to a pair of whingers who didn't last 5 mins in the job.

It's an internal HR report. It can't be published for confidentiality reasons.

Also, it wasn't really an "investigation into her bullying" so much as an investigation into HR practices. So yes, I suspect BP did not come out of it looking good, as they seemed to indulge Meghan, at the expense of their staff.

I think that they didnt publish because it showed BP at fault as an employer not addressing the complaints appropriately which is shocking ..... but if she has been shown to bully before and after then maybe their poor management will be overlooked

My guess is that the Households' anti-bullying policies covered conduct between staff, but was inadequate or absent when it came to that of members of the Family. Possibly because there was no perceived need, because family members were not expected to treat staff badly. Sure there have been odd reports over the years of isolated incidents, but never continuous and sustained bullying.

The report will remain confidential (HR good practice, and protection of the complainants). I expect the recommended changes will have concerned improving procedures to raise complaints about the conduct of family members

Those properties even if they sell less than what they paid for are still multimillion of dollars. They can sell up and still life an incredibly comfortable life that is still more than the average person.

The problem is that they evidently don't want merely "more than the average person" though, do they? There was nothing stopping them buying somewhere smaller and less ostentatious, but instead they chose to try and compete with the lifestyles of the mega rich.

I hope they don’t split - or all of this upset will have been for nothing

if they do, I hope H has the sense to spend a lot of time in Africa, where he does appear to be at peace.

howver reluctant W might be to accept him back into the family fold because of the attacks on C, my guess is that she will facilitate it - because she seems to be a natural
peacemaker, and because she is shrewd enough to see that it would be ace PR to be the bigger person … she is very good at her job, whether you agree that any such job should exist or not

They can live how they choose, and it'll be up to them to sort out how they afford it.

Their difficulty is now the question of finding staff who are prepared to work with them, and that is highly likely to have an impact of future income streams.

Properties in Southern California are likely to dip significantly in price following the events of the last few months, and if insurable at all, will cost thousands and thousands to insure. So as an asset, their home has just gone down quite a lot in value.

(I say this with no pleasure, it will be a financial disaster for millions. And our insurance policies will be much more expensive too).

How is it desperate? The poster is responding to another poster who commented that the UK press weren't really running the story - citing an article from UK press...

Maybe. However, the publisher quoted in the article states that if there were talk of such a deal, the publisher would approach Meghan. I hope that's true as it's less hurtful for nice-but-probably-dim Harry.

I doubt publishers go round soliciting books from one half of a couple believed to be happily married and in possession of an existing multi-book publishing deal.

Publishing is not a world I know and I agree the idea of an approach sounds quite fanciful. Still, it's not impossible as such a book would make loads of money and that's what it's all about.

I agree - especially when there is soooooo much more shocking bullying behaviour to call her out on.

What do you think of these dozens of employees who have suffered her berating and belittlment over many years, on both sides of the pond - where their MH has been eroded by her behaviour @BustingBaoBun ?

The article about the veil is new though (not saying the story is) I took the poster's comment to mean - that not only were the mail running with the VF story but also adding new articles outside of VF

I don't agree he would be welcomed back. The Royal family has only survived because monarchs and the courtiers behind them have been ruthless. Harry is trouble because he is a bit dim, entitled, and unpredictable. All of that is risky enough but when you throw haughty, conniving, ruthless Meghan into the mix, it's explosive. Even with a divorce, Harry will always be tied to her in some way because of the children.

I think that the Netflix deal would have been tied to completing projects. So after they completed say Polo, it would have netted them a payout. £100m would have been the maximum total that they could “earn” but some of that may be production costs (salary for staff etc) so not money in their pockets.

If Meghan wrote a book post divorce, it would be interesting to see how much she’d be paid compared to what Harry was paid for Spare. If it’s true then maybe they had a rocky patch and she had staff put out feelers?

I remember news leaking that when Harry and Meghan attended the Jubilee, Meghan retained ownership of her diary that she had left behind. I wonder if that had enough content for a book? If Meghan writes a book, then it will be difficult for her to balance juice details for maximum income with not hurting her kids feelings. Writing about post Megxit Harry is probably easiest because there’s fewer people who can contradict any claims but there could be stuff that she wants to shield her kids from.

I thought that Harry had a multi book deal with Penguin Random House and Meghan had a lifestyle book as part of the deal? Making it a WLM book would probably be simplest but I’m guessing that Netflix will want a cut if that was the case.

I remember news leaking that when Harry and Meghan attended the Jubilee, Meghan retained ownership of her diary that she had left behind. I wonder if that had enough content for a book?

I can’t imagine there would be much of any note in her diary for a book. What “terrible” or interesting things exactly happened to her during her short time in the RF that haven’t already been alluded to either in the Oprah interview or in Spare? Unless of course she makes up a complete work of fiction, in which case she would be opening herself to being sued for libel. I doubt very much the RF would stick to never explain or complain on those circumstances 🤷‍♀️

I imagine she would have to agree to a non disclosure clause in return for any hefty divorce settlement