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Atlasvue · 17/01/2025 17:38

Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

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Ohpleeeease · 18/01/2025 10:25

I listened to the podcast while reading along, I recommend people do the same, I’m a fast reader and tend to skim, but the reading (by actress Julia Whelan, not AI) gave emphasis I might have missed.

It seems disjointed because it’s a long piece. Someone has been working on this for a while.

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 10:31

Yes, the podcast makes such a difference

I’ve been seeing some online saying it not that bad- it’s awful. I think reading the article and listening to it, really alters the perspective.

The way she imitates meghan saying she didn’t sign a NDA- makes meghan sound quite calculating.

The balancing of the article by saying meghan experienced hardship in the RF, the delivery is throwaway and at times sarcastic. I’m not sure it reads like that though

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LaMarschallin · 18/01/2025 10:34

Ohpleeeease · 18/01/2025 10:25

I listened to the podcast while reading along, I recommend people do the same, I’m a fast reader and tend to skim, but the reading (by actress Julia Whelan, not AI) gave emphasis I might have missed.

It seems disjointed because it’s a long piece. Someone has been working on this for a while.

Very much agree with listening to the podcast although I didn't do it at the same time as reading the article; I can see how that would add depth though.
I very rarely listen to things if I can read them instead because I too am a fast reader.
But I was struggling to sleep last night so listened to the podcast and it gives a totally different perspective on the article.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 18/01/2025 10:35

smilesy · 18/01/2025 10:02

Maybe this is why there has been no one to offer any counter explanations for the Vanity Fair article in these parts. They are all too busy elsewhere….

Where would that be? I’m only on here? And what is being said I wonder?

LaMarschallin · 18/01/2025 10:36

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 10:31

Yes, the podcast makes such a difference

I’ve been seeing some online saying it not that bad- it’s awful. I think reading the article and listening to it, really alters the perspective.

The way she imitates meghan saying she didn’t sign a NDA- makes meghan sound quite calculating.

The balancing of the article by saying meghan experienced hardship in the RF, the delivery is throwaway and at times sarcastic. I’m not sure it reads like that though

Absolutely this.

smilesy · 18/01/2025 10:37

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 18/01/2025 10:35

Where would that be? I’m only on here? And what is being said I wonder?

Well someone said the Sussex squad were in overdrive, presumably on other areas of SM so I suppose they are occupied and have no time for Mumsnet currently 😆

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JADS · 18/01/2025 10:42

Vespanest · 18/01/2025 10:00

I can see William forgiving him for the thing he said about him but I can never see William forgiving him for what has been said about Catherine. They may portray a false truce but that relationship cannot recover. I've always been wary of Harry (I have met him a few times) and given Meghan more of the benefit of the doubt. Harry may be thick and easily manipulated but he took great pleasure in dishing the dirt on William. I could maybe understand how spare got out of hand but there was no remorse in the smug Harry with his rehearsed questions on his PR tour of spare. The bullying at this point is unforgivable. To not learn from your own behaviour is incomprehensible

I agree with your assessment of Harry although I have never met him. Would love to know more.

He did a lot of stupid things in his youth and got caught. This was in a pre smart phone era too. He was still beloved. I've always thought he was arrogant and boorish. I won't comment on whether he's bright or not, but he certainly isn't academic.

Harry has got away with a lot because people believe he has emotional intelligence. A lot of this is based on him being his mother's son and being good with children. I don't agree he is particularly emotionally intelligent. Spare demonstrated how little esteem he holds for anyone who isn't Meghan or Diana. It was especially nasty to his brother and SIL and his Dad who he imagined gunning down. If I was William and Catherine, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kids ever.

Although this piece is primarily a take down of Meghan, it doesn't make me feel sorry for Harry. He has shown his true colours and they aren't pretty.

Edited because shocking grammer

IcedPurple · 18/01/2025 10:45

pelargoniums · 18/01/2025 07:59

What does “over for them” mean, though? Is BetterUp going to sack Harry, is Invictus? Meghan’s not acting or doing much Hollywood work bar the final contractually obligated Netflix show, there’s little to sack her from that she hasn’t already lost – Spotify, the Lemonada deal that went nowhere, it’s already over to an extent. Will ARO launch, or not?

Hopefully they’ve had the sense to invest some of the money for an ongoing income (like, financial investments, not Meghan’s random handbags, coffee, hair care investments). Even if not, they can sell the house. They’re in a privileged position where they can cut lifestyle corners, and cut their cloth according to their means, while still living a very nice life – even if it’s without the fame and attention she aspires to. But as long as there’s money to be made from them – they generate a lot of clicks – there’ll be interest in working with them, I think.

I also think they’ll always have an audience – between the extreme hate and the extreme worship there’s a lot of grey space. Some of its indifference, some of it’s “oh, I like that outfit, I’ll click on that” from people who don’t follow the gossip that closely. It’s a takedown, but it’s not as explosive as, say, the Neil Gaiman piece also out this week.

What does “over for them” mean, though? Is BetterUp going to sack Harry, is Invictus?

Better Up supposedly aren't doing very well, so they might.

Invictus won't, but it's a charity gig. He isn't, or shouldn't, be making money from that.

Even if not, they can sell the house.

They can, but they not make their money back on it. The potential market for houses at that end of the scale is tiny, and people with that sort of money tend to want to buy their own place, not take over someone else's. It's also quite an ugly house.
They’re in a privileged position where they can cut lifestyle corners, and cut their cloth according to their means, while still living a very nice life – even if it’s without the fame and attention she aspires to.

Certainly. They will always be rich by most people's standards. But I'm not sure if that's enough for them, certainly for her.

But as long as there’s money to be made from them – they generate a lot of clicks – there’ll be interest in working with them, I think.

Interest from whom though? Not Spotify. Probably not NF for much longer. They're not going to get big media deals again, that's for sure.

And generating clicks doesn't guarantee have a cash return for anyone other than the tabloids who are their natural level.

I also think they’ll always have an audience – between the extreme hate and the extreme worship there’s a lot of grey space.

Not sure about 'always'. As time passes, and their links to the royal family fade, so too will the level of interest. I think it already has to some degree.

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 10:46

Top article DM online- Honeymoon is over

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/01/2025 10:49

Has Meghan been planning her exit all along?

I've believed for a long time that Meghan never intended staying in the UK and that the victimhood narrative was exaggerated to secure the retturn to LA she always wanted, so if there's any truth in the divorce book thing it could all be part of the same pattern

Mostly, though, I can't imagine what it'll do to Harry's fragile mind to hear that his wife's planning to divorce him. Clearly he's unable to discern what's true and what isn't, and with no friends to support him and a family who have every reason to keep him at arm's length I don't see this ending well

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 10:57

smilesy · 18/01/2025 10:02

Maybe this is why there has been no one to offer any counter explanations for the Vanity Fair article in these parts. They are all too busy elsewhere….

I read (in a thread on another platform about the VF article) that today's orders for the squad are 'no comment'.

It would explain the absence of the regular apologists here.

(I don't miss them.)

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 11:05

LaMarschallin · 18/01/2025 08:05

Interesting.
How do you think they would have done that?

Throwing tea at staffers, snubbing the Governor General's wife, complaining about overseas accommodation, crying off engagements, moaning to and about the press... Now that's a new way of modern monarching.

IcedPurple · 18/01/2025 11:06

KatherineParr · 18/01/2025 10:01

I don't think the security case will make any difference to Harry spending more time in the UK - I just can't see any way in which Harry is ordered VIP security again and Harry won't come regularly without it, let alone bring his family. I think his life is pretty firmly fixed in the US now, whatever happened.

I agree that he is not going to get automatic round the clock security every time he visits. His 'case' is a massive waste of taxpayer time and money.

However, I don't really believe that 'security' is the issue he is claiming it is. He has no problem travelling to dangerous countries like Nigeria and Colombia and leaving his small children at home without either of their parents. And I suspect that the real reason he won't bring them to Britain is because Meghan will not give her consent, which would be a legal requirement. 'Security' is a convenient excuse.

I agree that he's pretty much stuck in California now, because Meghan seems to have no interest living anywhere else. Even if they divorce, unless he wants to be the parent who only sees his children a few times a year, he'll have to stay there too. Was this really what he intended when he did his grand flounce?

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 11:13

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/01/2025 10:49

Has Meghan been planning her exit all along?

I've believed for a long time that Meghan never intended staying in the UK and that the victimhood narrative was exaggerated to secure the retturn to LA she always wanted, so if there's any truth in the divorce book thing it could all be part of the same pattern

Mostly, though, I can't imagine what it'll do to Harry's fragile mind to hear that his wife's planning to divorce him. Clearly he's unable to discern what's true and what isn't, and with no friends to support him and a family who have every reason to keep him at arm's length I don't see this ending well

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Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 11:17

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 10:57

I read (in a thread on another platform about the VF article) that today's orders for the squad are 'no comment'.

It would explain the absence of the regular apologists here.

(I don't miss them.)

Great point

I thought they would descend overnight to say it’s a smear campaign, racist, toxic British press etc

But nothing.

Because they’ve got nothing to defend her with, it’s that bad. There’s nothing they can do.

That’s why it’s over for them, they’ve got no more cards left to play. Hollywood have effectively cancelled them.

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WeCantGoOverIt · 18/01/2025 11:18

I agree that he is not going to get automatic round the clock security every time he visits. His 'case' is a massive waste of taxpayer time and money.

His case is a massive waste, not least because he probably would get round the clock security every time he visited. The only issue is it is not automatic and he has to provide reasonable notice.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 18/01/2025 11:22

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 10:57

I read (in a thread on another platform about the VF article) that today's orders for the squad are 'no comment'.

It would explain the absence of the regular apologists here.

(I don't miss them.)

Interesting and would make sense as to why none of them are here. Can’t Blame it on the racist RF and the toxic racist British press.

LaMarschallin · 18/01/2025 11:24

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 11:05

Throwing tea at staffers, snubbing the Governor General's wife, complaining about overseas accommodation, crying off engagements, moaning to and about the press... Now that's a new way of modern monarching.

It doesn't sound the best way of winning hearts and minds, does it? Grin

I guess we'll never get an answer from that poster; people just throw out words and assume people will take them in without questioning what is meant.
After all, it's their truth.

IcedPurple · 18/01/2025 11:27

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 11:17

Great point

I thought they would descend overnight to say it’s a smear campaign, racist, toxic British press etc

But nothing.

Because they’ve got nothing to defend her with, it’s that bad. There’s nothing they can do.

That’s why it’s over for them, they’ve got no more cards left to play. Hollywood have effectively cancelled them.

I'm expecting to see posts referencing 7 year old tabloid articles about avocados and bump clutching any time now.

MrsFinkelstein · 18/01/2025 11:28

ExitPersuedByAMemory · 18/01/2025 07:50

That’s just a shame because I feel like Meghan and Harry could have revitalised the royal family in a way that Kate and William can’t.

Yet they clearly couldn't and didn't.

W&C seem to be doing a pretty good job and increasing in popularity all the time.

I have a feeling the H&M "can revitalise the Monarchy" narrative was driven by them and the media trying to stir up gossip and division.

MeandBobbyMcGoo · 18/01/2025 11:29

Harry just seems like such a pathetic child to me, I really hope he is not forgiven in time and Meghan blamed for everything - his image seems to have been carefully curated by the palace when he was young, but he doesn't come across as a genuinely good person to me just because he interacts well with children at events.

IcedPurple · 18/01/2025 11:30

WeCantGoOverIt · 18/01/2025 11:18

I agree that he is not going to get automatic round the clock security every time he visits. His 'case' is a massive waste of taxpayer time and money.

His case is a massive waste, not least because he probably would get round the clock security every time he visited. The only issue is it is not automatic and he has to provide reasonable notice.

I'm not sure he'd get round the clock security, but he would certainly get whatever security is deemed necessary based on the current threat assessments.

He may be a prat but he is still the king's son. Nobody in 'official Britain' wants any harm to come to him on their watch, and he'd have to be completely paranoid to think otherwise.

WeCantGoOverIt · 18/01/2025 11:38

Security is not all or nothing though. There is quite a range between a rota of single officers following him and a whole team of protection officers, motorbikes outriders speeding him through junctions and marksmen on nearby roofs. I expect he is likely to get round the clock cover at the single officer level most of the time.

Rhaidimiddim · 18/01/2025 11:38

Atlasvue · 18/01/2025 11:17

Great point

I thought they would descend overnight to say it’s a smear campaign, racist, toxic British press etc

But nothing.

Because they’ve got nothing to defend her with, it’s that bad. There’s nothing they can do.

That’s why it’s over for them, they’ve got no more cards left to play. Hollywood have effectively cancelled them.

They'll be back tomorrow spouting the new script.
Probably with new names.

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