Vanity Fair podcast

[Atlasvue]

Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

In the article Elaine Lui is not critical, she is claiming the Nigeria trip was a success, Archewell has done nothing of note, but thats because it's new.

I imagine she was asked for quotes because of how she fangirls H&M. I don't think she would have contributed negatively, she probably didn't realise it was going to be a such a hit piece on them. Now if it was Catherine ......

This is why it’s unsustainable, the way he’s living.

No family, no friends, no familiar surroundings, no British culture (pubs etc), constant court cases, living in probably the most vacuous place on earth (albeit very beautiful), much harsher press than they ever received as Royals, his wife has been accused of being a bully MULTIPLE times, now we hear there is a divorce book.

He was already extremely paranoid, and known to use drugs. How can he be happy when things are much much worse than they were before.

We even hear through VF that it wasn’t a $100 million contract. You could have argued that, well it’s worth it for all the money, but that seems to not be the case. Whatever they do have, is being swallowed up by security costs and a lifestyle they can’t afford. So on top of everything else….money worries.

The only way out of this, is to retreat and stay out of the limelight, move to a cheaper and less fake place, try and integrate, realise there’s no hope reconciliation with his family, drop the court cases. Live a quiet life with his family. But I don’t think that will happen. I think they will divorce at some point in the next 10 years. I’m actually surprised they lasted this long.

The British media doesn't seem to be showing much interest. I thought the DM would be all over it but they only have about 3 stories and they are spaced out and you have to scroll down the homepage to find them. Nothing I could see on the BBC or the Guardian (neither of whom do much Royal reporting but they do usually cover big stories). So maybe this will sink without attracting too much attention but surely it will still damage their future professional opportunities; who would want to work for or with them now?

I've read, but have no evidence, that H is in the UK for his court case.

If she could control her behaviour in Suits because she needed to for her benefit, to me, that's actually worse.

Because it says she knows her behaviour is unacceptable.

If someone just is abrasive and generally unpleasant but can't see why anyone would be upset because they're "just getting the job done" or "telling it like it is" etc then they'll be like that all the time.

This link is letting me listen to the podcast. Hopefully it works for others too.

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I am feeling a bit like a PP on this thread - pre Meghan I was always fond of Harry. I never took to her at all, it was quite clear just as someone watching their engagement interview that she was going to be a nightmare. In recent years I’ve been equally disgusted and irritated by both of them, but after the revelations in that article I do think it’s time for him to give it up and come home. How he would manage it, having blown up links with his family, I have no idea. But if she really is going to ditch him (which I have thought she would from the very start) then his mental state will be truly terrible. He will be being rejected by his substitute mummy, as this is the role she seems to have adopted, and it will be just awful for him, never mind how he feels about the children. He will need people around him that he can trust, but he has damaged relationships with all those people. I never thought I would say it, but poor Harry. Poor, stupid Harry.

I think they are quite clearly finished in the US, between the HR and VF articles and the huge public backlash over their 'tour' of people's destroyed homes. (You have to be a vulture to do that and then pose and smile for the camera) I wonder what they will do next.

Or she's waiting to Monday when everyone will be focused on the Trump inauguration and she's hoping her statement will sink without trace.

But I agree, she's not a commentator who will be subjective or honest.

I think links with his UK friends and once the security case is over, and he spends more time in the UK- then he might have a chance of making some sort of relationship with his family- but never William.
Unless he splits from Meghan and promises to live a private life, I can’t see William inviting round for Xmas at Sandringham once he’s King.

I really hope they don't get divorced. I wouldn't wish it on anyone but in their case the custody battle of the children could get very nasty.

That’s just a shame because I feel like Meghan and Harry could have revitalised the royal family in a way that Kate and William can’t.

Not sure about that. Revitalised how? The rf is doing just fine, William and Catherine could hardly be more popular, Charles has earned respect for working throughout his cancer treatment, his Australian tour saw bigger crowds than when PH and MM visited at the height of their popularity.

I think what they had to offer was a flash in the pan, they would soon have become old news.

I can see William forgiving him for the thing he said about him but I can never see William forgiving him for what has been said about Catherine. They may portray a false truce but that relationship cannot recover. I've always been wary of Harry (I have met him a few times) and given Meghan more of the benefit of the doubt. Harry may be thick and easily manipulated but he took great pleasure in dishing the dirt on William. I could maybe understand how spare got out of hand but there was no remorse in the smug Harry with his rehearsed questions on his PR tour of spare. The bullying at this point is unforgivable. To not learn from your own behaviour is incomprehensible

I don't think the security case will make any difference to Harry spending more time in the UK - I just can't see any way in which Harry is ordered VIP security again and Harry won't come regularly without it, let alone bring his family. I think his life is pretty firmly fixed in the US now, whatever happened.

Genuinely I wouldn’t wish it upon them either. Harry seems very vulnerable and we all know that they are capable of going nuclear. It seems like Harry doesn’t realise the consequences of his actions and Meghan doesn’t care so long as she gets her “truth” across. It will be catastrophic and it will be the kids who get caught in the crossfire, much like William and Harry did in the Wales’ divorce saga.

Maybe this is why there has been no one to offer any counter explanations for the Vanity Fair article in these parts. They are all too busy elsewhere….

No family, no friends, no familiar surroundings, no British culture (pubs etc), constant court cases, living in probably the most vacuous place on earth (albeit very beautiful),
@Atlasvue - just to add a petty and irrelevant snipe...

I know the Pacific coast is beautiful - but those neighbourhoods! Yes, they're very affluent but they're so manicured, unnatural and (whisper it)...suburban. And very restrictive. I bet hardly anyone ever walks anywhere - like the very wealthy roads near where I live - they're like the Valley of Death! The only humans you ever see, particularly walking, are 'the helps'. If I had that sort of money they're the last place I'd be buying a home. Very Meghan, I suppose, but not really Harry's cup of tea, I imagine. Living in a vibrant urban area like central London is one thing, but places like Montecito seem like suburbia on steroids.

Harry can go surfing but I bet he sometimes misses the wide open spaces of real countryside (that's not really an American concept, I suppose) or wild landscapes where he can do rugged things.

I thought South Park was savage but this is a new level.

I don't think they will get divorced. From everything I've seen, and of course it's just what they do publically, they seem to genuinely love each other. I also think that they each fulfill a need in the other.

I absolutely don't wish divorce on them. I think those children are already denied so much family contact - they must be hugely dependent on their parents.

But I've thought for many years (not just recently) that H & M will never last the course. Harry might want to - but I just don't see Meghan staying with him once the glamour has gone (which it nearly has now). She's just not the 'put up with things' type. There are many parallels with the D and D of Windsor, and we now know that, far from being the Romance of the Century, the brash but sparky Wallis was miserably bored and frustrated with Edward almost from the time of their marriage. But they were different times, and they had sold us the myth of their undying love.

I don't think Meghan will bother with that though.

In terms of friendships - those he has in the UK would have been formed at school, in the army or through school/army/family contacts. If you land somewhere new the only way you develop new friendships there is if you put yourself ‘out there’ and get involved in things at a personal level. This might be colleagues at work (very rarely subordinates due to power inbalance), local community, children’s activities, hobbies etc. If you cut yourself off from such things then you are cutting yourself off from potential friends and risk being very isolated.

In terms of returning to the UK… I have several friends who are ex-pats or have been ex-pats and one of the difficult things for them is that the world does not stand still whilst they are away. When they return home there is a sort of expectation that everything will be as they left it, even if intellectually they know it will not be. So they expect to return to friendships as they were before, but those friends have had their own life over that time too and the slot they used to take in their friend’s life will have been taken by other things. The transition back can be hard even where their friends are pleased to have them back. Harry also left at the very tail-end of friends being fun young singles - many of his friends will have now transitioned into responsible family men. Even without people being wary of his selling stories, he can never go back to what it was.

I hope they don’t split up but I also hope that they can be happy together. There is nothing worse than being with someone who no longer wants to be with you. I’m not sure that we can say they are both genuinely in love from what we have seen in public, given that there is plenty of evidence that a lot of Meghan’s behaviour is performative. It is a bit of a sad situation really that they both seem to have got themselves in to. They seem to be stuck with each other whether that is really what they want or not

That’s just a shame because I feel like Meghan and Harry could have revitalised the royal family in a way that Kate and William can’t.

That could never have happened. William and Kate are the much more senior royals. Ignore that, or allow them to be overshadowed, and you are risking the whole monarchy. The monarchy relies on respecting the order of precedence, of position by birth-right. There is no other basis for the legitimacy of any of it.

That’s just a shame because I feel like Meghan and Harry could have revitalised the royal family in a way that Kate and William can’t.

To my mind, that would only be the case if Meghan and Harry were completely different people. The people that they actually are, rather than the people their fans imagine them to be, are not assets. Not even to their own endeavours.

Only because he is deliberately avoiding spending time here, to shore up his case. That he can’t visit, because it so unsafe. If he was here all the time- they could prove it’s perfectly safe to be here without the rolling 24/7 security.

I mean it makes no material difference to a jurisprudence case, but that’s Harry logic for you.

He still thinks he will win, RAVEC will review their decision and come to the conclusion he wants.

I think Meghan failed to understand this which is why she was surprised that precedence and protocol mattered in private too.