H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

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Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

What is your response to my post about the DC being filmed for Netflix ( money) including Archie in his bath ?

We saw half his chest years ago... you see more on the beach. I have not got a clue what his children look like, I wouldn't know them if I passed them in the street. You say 'DC'. I don't believe Lili was filmed in the bath. I haven't any idea what she looks like either.
As a couple they have done well to keep them out the public eye.
Will that response be enough for you?
I did write out a longer one but deleted it.

I do not agree with any parents using their children to earn money. I include in that Harry and Meghan and William and Catherine. They all use their children.

Not that's not true@BustingBaoBun ...

"The titles are barely thought about except by those incensed that they have them.

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Why are the titles splashed all over the Sussexes media output if they are barely thought about?

See my post at 15.10.
We are talking about the Prince and Princess titles for the children.

Bingo!

Titles are certainly somewhat irrelevant in nursery school - we can't predict the future and what will happen eg even if they are used. It is important to Meghan though that they had them.

Exactly.

From Meghans bio on their official Sussex.com

"Meghan lives in California with her husband and their children Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet."

From Harrys bio on their official Sussex.com

"Prince Harry lives in California with his wife Meghan, and their two children Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet."

Never noticed before how differently they acknowledge their spouses by name (or not!!)

In what way are the Wales’ children used to make money by their parents?

Trotted out at events to ensure continued support for the monarchy and the money that comes with it.
The children should not be at any public events. And they should not be in videos like the video William and Kate made of private family time.

Why do you care?

they should be able to include their kids in their public family events and family videos if they chose too, it's their family decision.

That is a broader question of should their be a monarchy? I take it from your reply you think not. But as there is it is appropriate for them to seek to ensure it is supported. Being trotted out at events is the cost that comes with the monarch but it is also why they have the money they have. It is why Harry has the money he has now.

I’ve read most of the thread. I see the idea that A & L might be curious or resentful at being kept from their royal heritage is regularly repeated. Children love their parents and believe what they tell them & are almost always on their parents side, till the teens hit 😁. If they’re fed Harry & Meghan’s narrative they’ll likely be resentful & fearful of the BRF and not at all interested in being part of it. I suspect that the titles are kept front and centre because Harry and Meghan hope that the estrangement will end at some point not too far into the future & they will all be able to reap the benefits of being attached to the BRF again. That could possibly happen in KC’s life time I guess, but I think it’ll be a cold day in hell before PW lets them back in.

That’s precisely the sort of influence I mean. Weed is harmful and if A and L grow up in an environment which is relaxed about it, that’s not a good thing.

They aren't 'trotted out'. They are seen at events suitable for children their age a few times a year. The public goes months without seeing them.

George is a future king. Are you saying he should have no preparation for his future role? He should never appear in public until he's an adult?

What's so terrible about children being occasionally seen in public in controlled conditions?

@IcedPurple I think it is fundamentally wrong for children to be used in that way.
Why did they appear in a public video of private family moments? Would you think it wrong if Harry and Meghan did the same? I am sure you would. I do as well. But I see it as wrong whoever uses their children in this way.

The video was highly unusual for the Wales' family - they've never done anything like this before, and given the appalling harrassment that Catherine went through with her surgery/treatment/disappearance from public life, I think it was them taking control of the narrative. They have always taken complete control of the media around the children - they get the 1st day at school images, and events like trooping the colour, christmas concert/church appearances at Sandringham. Otherwise the children are very firmly kept away from the cameras and appear to be having as normal upbringings as their status allows.

@Patienceinshortsupply so they responded to harassment by using their children in private family moments to control the narrative?
I understand why using your children to boost your own family reputation is appealing, it often works after all. But it is wrong.

Children love their parents and believe what they tell them.

I hope H&M aren't telling their children that the world, and specifically the UK, is so unsafe for them they need 24/7 security.

I suspect that the titles are kept front and centre because Harry and Meghan hope that the estrangement will end at some point not too far into the future & they will all be able to reap the benefits of being attached to the BRF again. That could possibly happen in KC’s life time I guess, but I think it’ll be a cold day in hell before PW lets them back in.

Charles might welcome a private reconciliation, with family visits to Balmoral or Sandringham so he can spend time with the grandchildren. But they don't need titles to do that. I expect William would have to agree to any resumption of a public role for them and as you say, cold day in hell. I don't know whether the public would go for it, either.

And that's without taking into account the security issues. Whether they were working or non working royals, they still wouldn't get what Harry is arguing for in the courts.

The video was highly unusual for the Wales' family - they've never done anything like this before

Yes, they have. Back in 2021

Whichever path choosen for the children of the famous would be damaged limitation and a personal choice. The early years are easy but as the children get older whether it's a wedding, a party, a trip abroad, awards or election success not being included for your own privacy is not going to wash and for what as social media will eventually get a photo. Using spare as an example, Harry hated the intrusion, he also hated not having much time with his parents.

Harry and Meghan are never coming back. I have no idea why people persist in this narrative.

In my opinion William and Kate have done the exact opposite of use their kids images for their own benefit. They’ve been very careful around exposure of the kids. Kate taking the photos or just having one private photographer rather than a bank of press like William and Harry did.

The children are in the public eye because of their existence.

Their family events are often public facing - and they have a whole set of family members around them to support them - when you see how relaxed they are with all the other kids you can see that it seems natural to them.

@wordler they did not have to release a video of William and Kate interacting with the kids in private

The video was not a private family moment. It was an informal one. Quite different. Everyone knows this was a staged occasion, including the children. A glimpse into the future king’s family life is not unreasonable as long as the children’s part in it was appropriately handled.