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Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 20:18

Just leave them in peace

why are you so bothered

fgs

FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 28/12/2024 20:18

They're all fucking corrupt. Members of the royal family die and their wills aren't public - that privilege doesn't extend to any other person in the country including elected officials. Freeloading scum who manipulate the rules so they aren't subject to the same scrutiny as everyone else.

FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 28/12/2024 20:18

Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 20:18

Just leave them in peace

why are you so bothered

fgs

Why aren't you?

StSwithinsDay · 28/12/2024 20:19

why are you so bothered

Surely his dealings with trade envoys, alleged Chinese spies and Jeffrey Epstein are matters of public interest.

Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 20:20

You seem like royalty haters - yawn

I’m sure some of your fellow nasties will be along sharpish

FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 28/12/2024 20:24

Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 20:20

You seem like royalty haters - yawn

I’m sure some of your fellow nasties will be along sharpish

I'm not a "hater", I'm just capable of critical thinking.

StSwithinsDay · 28/12/2024 20:36

@Quitelikeit
Can you not understand why this is an issue?

Michelle12A · 28/12/2024 20:56

It doesn’t need to be public information

StSwithinsDay · 28/12/2024 21:07

@Michelle12A
If it was a politician would you say the same thing? That the public have no need to know?

Snorlaxo · 28/12/2024 21:12

I don’t think it’s just the RF covering for him.

saltysandysea · 28/12/2024 21:27

Andrew does not have the best judgement, is maybe not the brightest & as a favoured child seems to think nothing will stick to him.

But so are many other institutions: governments themselves, the tabloid press (think phone hacking scandal), film industry, bbc etc. this is not unusual- there are cover ups all the time. Wherever there is power there is a cover up.

TurtlesDoNotPetsMake · 28/12/2024 21:39

The Queen certainly did.

wordler · 28/12/2024 22:23

It’s not ‘the royal family’ covering anything up - as an institution it doesn’t have that kind of power.

The monarch can use his influence with government behind the scenes but can’t demand any particular result.

The institution covering this up is the British Government - and you can bet it’s not Andrew they are protecting.

Anything Andrew managed to do was facilitated, monitored and ‘approved’ by those with real power. You don’t think the security services weren’t keeping a track and reporting to the foreign office and upwards on all the people Andrew was consorting with?

Quitelikeit · 29/12/2024 09:21

Good to see this thread died a quick death!

Extiainoiapeial · 29/12/2024 11:39

Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 20:18

Just leave them in peace

why are you so bothered

fgs

It isn't 'them' that's the point of this thread ... it's Andrew. Access to records about him are being blocked. No doubt because the revelations will be shocking.

LittleBitAlexa · 29/12/2024 12:07

Quitelikeit · 29/12/2024 09:21

Good to see this thread died a quick death!

Royal family threads are a bit dull @Quitelikeit , but I find your kind of look-the-other-way obsequious forelock tugging bizarre. They only continue because we allow it. We all have a stake in the RF.

flippantlydone · 29/12/2024 12:08

Exactly. It makes me very uncomfortable how blatant the RF are being. They don't want details being leaked and therefore have 'influenced' law to keep it hidden. They don't care that we know they are changing laws to benefit themselves, such is their power and belief that they cannot be removed.

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custardpyjamas · 29/12/2024 12:29

The RF have no power over the law. In the past there was an 'understanding' that the press wouldn't go after the RF but that is long gone after Diana and Charles, etc.

Andrew is a bit of a black sheep, second son so no real aim in life, he was good in the services, probably the highlight of his life. I think he was vain enough to think a pretty 17 year old was genuinely attracted to him, not that he was being set up by Epstein. Anyone using Andrew to access anything secret is delusional Andrew has no access to anything secret, he could introduce people to people who might have access to secrets, but those people are fully vetted and monitored and hopefully are not impressed by anyone introduced by Andrew.

Do his family cover for him? Well they are family after all so probably as much as they can, but he really can't seem to help getting constantly into trouble and spends money like water, so running out of credibility there too.

Serenster · 29/12/2024 12:42

Lownie said government departments give contradictory responses to his requests for documents about Andrew, including saying that they do not exist, and then that there are so many that it will be too expensive to search through them. A government department can refuse an FoI request if getting the information will cost too much money or take too much time.

Given the quote above specifically states that theses responses have been given to “requests” - i.e. more than one request, and each request would be for different records, I think this is the Guardian looking to stir up a story here (what a surprise, I know!).

In case you’re not familiar with the Freedom of Information Act, you don’t have to disclose documents if they no longer exist (obviously!). And given most government departments also have to comply with GDPR, which requires them to not hold personal data for any longer than is necessary, most departments and indeed companies will routinely destroy records after six years. Andrew ceased to be a trade envoy in 2011 I think? So yes, many of the records relating to that will now have been destroyed, and that is not remotely suspicious.

Under section 12 of FOIA any public body is also entitled to decline a request for information if it would cost more than £600 to find and extract the requested information. Government bodies, which receive an awful lot of FOIA requests, have all calculated how many hours of a junior employee’s time that will be. If you are looking at largely paper archives (which records more than 15 years old will mostly be) that time gets eaten up very quickly if retrieval of archive boxes and a manual search is necessary. And so many, many requests are routinely rejected on the grounds of cost.

So, both of these reasons for declining some of the requests are very likely true, and justified under the statute. But where’s the story in that?

KingOfPoundbury · 29/12/2024 12:43

To be honest, one is a little more than embarrassed about PA.

That reference to 'Whack-a-Mole' is very applicable to him too!

One tries to get him back in his hole (but not the Royal Lodge, obviously) but he damn well pops his head up somewhere else.

It's all a bit of a nightmare really.

Theunamedcat · 29/12/2024 12:45

It's the government not the royal family be fair here

Extiainoiapeial · 29/12/2024 13:01

many of the records relating to that will now have been destroyed, and that is not remotely suspicious.

Personally, I think that is very suspicious. Many others think the same. How convenient, given it's well known how he cosied up to oligarchs, libyan gun smugglers, a member of the Gaddafi family, presidents and dodgy people known for corruption and human rights abuses, and then of course David Rowland Banque Havilland. I haven't even mentioned Kazakhstan... he has a lot of history there, a £4million backhander for brokering a deal for water and sewerage works, the Palace managed to block emails on that citing 'privacy issues'.

So of course, records will have been destroyed 🤷

Serenster · 29/12/2024 13:10

Put it this way, Extiainoiapeia. If Andrew had indeed been cosying up to oligarchs, Libyan gun smugglers, a member of the Gaddafi family, presidents and dodgy people known for corruption and human rights abuses while acting as a Trade envoy on behalf of the UK, then the Foreign Office would have no need to claim the records had been destroyed. They would have had every right to decline to release them under section 27 of the Freedom of Information Act, which relates to information about the interests of the UK abroad and the UK’s international relations.

If the Foreign Office said it’s been destroyed, the most likely answer is that it has been destroyed. Why would the Foreign Office lie when they wouldn’t have to release it in any event? It would just be risking someone leaking that they are lying in their FOIA responses. Why take that risk?

Extiainoiapeial · 29/12/2024 13:33

Either way, they are not accessible. 'Destroying' them sounds like shutting the door on it for good. It would be a chosen option.

Serenster · 29/12/2024 13:43

It would be a chosen option.

I love the confident way you write as if you are omniscient here. Very amusing.