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I'm sure Harry did tell Meghan that. It doesn't mean that he was right, just that once again he seems to have told her nothing about how things actually worked in the institution she was joining.

@Onlyonekenobe I'm of the opinion that both women cried. Catherine was heavily pregnant then immediately post-natal. Meghan stressed out before such a big wedding.

Meghan obviously took it more to heart, but tbh, it's pretty much a non story. A better, healthier attitude wouldve been to say - yeah, we were both stressed and tired and both had a little cry, but we spoke about it afterwards and cleared the air.

They were both very confused about how the titles worked for great grandchildren of a monarch or were deliberately deceptive about it to Oprah when Meghan implied that there would be no title for Archie because of race.

But the rules are complicated and weird for outsiders - I was trying to explain to an American family member why William and Harry's children were treated differently in this respect and I could see their eyes just glazing over when I was about a quarter into it, lol.

What's interesting is that if they hadn't done away with male-preference primogeniture just before George was born, then they wouldn't have had to create a special LP for William's children. We would have had Prince George, Lady Charlotte, and Prince Louis while the Queen was still alive, so Lord Archie and Lady Lili wouldn't have seemed snubbed. Then, on King Charles's accession, Charlotte, Archie, and Lili would have all been bumped up to Prince/ss at the same time.

The only reason Charlotte was titled Princess from birth was to prevent the potential female heir presumptive from having a lower title than her siblings.

I think Harry hadn't fully processed the reason for the change - and Meghan definitely wouldn't have - they both just saw William's children getting special treatment.

And if they lived in a royal property they would get 24 hour protection then I assume.

Exactly. I can understand Meghan not getting it but Harry should have had a clue. I can grasp the rules and I'm not royal!

Its the sort of spiteful behaviour you might expect from a schoolgirl, not a grown woman. Someone I know is being bullied at work by two women with a very similar mentality to Meghan. They’re in their late twenties.

When the story initially surfaced, I just regarded it as a typical case of families being stressed at weddings. It was M who perpetuated the story and was determined to make Kate look at fault. Some people may have bought that but once H claimed in Spare that M was sobbing on the floor over it, surely her credibility went out the window. Looking back she is most certainly jealous of Kate. So much for women lifting each other up.

But the thing that interests me is H&M's reaction to the titles situation. They chose not to use the available titles - he was introduced to the world as Master Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. It was how he was officially recorded on the line of succession page on the royal family website.

At the time their spokesperson Omid Scobie said; "As we expected, Harry and Meghan forgone a courtesy title for their child. All part of giving him as normal a life as possible."

Then as soon as the prince title is available there were comments again from Omid that the couple were very upset that their children's titles weren't immediately updated on the website to Prince and Princess as soon as it was available.

If I recall it took a few months but I would have thought that it wasn't a huge assumption to make that if the parents of a child have said we are choosing to use Master and Miss rather than the titles Earl and Lady title they could have used, then they wouldn't be using the Prince/Princess titles either.

I do wonder if the Dumbarton part of the title was the issue, and if Harry's second title had been Earl of Carrick (one of William's titles) then the couple would have been perfectly happy with Lord Archie, Earl of Carrick, and then Lady Lili Mountbatten.

I suspect Meghan's American ear couldn't not hear the Dumb bit of Dumbarton.

Well, my guess would be thar W&K would support any child who wanted out - they'd probably ask Aunty Anne for advice if she's still around. Zara and Peter aren't fretting about nutters shooting them. ( But then, they don't live in the gun-happy USA.)

That nasty behaviour would be consistent with recent and further reports in The HollyWood Reporter MM bullying 12 employees.

Zara and Peter aren't children of a monarch. Unlike their mother Anne whose high profile resulted in her being held at gunpoint during an attempted kidnapping in London that resulted in her bodyguard, chauffeur, a police officer and a journalist getting shot. If I recall correctly, she then went on TV afterwards and gave a humorous interview about it.

Utterly ridiculous but then most of the squad are utterly ridiculous

Harry would have know EXACTLY when his children would have received their titles. It was pure manipulation of the facts

It's literally something that could happen thousands of times in families yet they have to ramp it up to a pathetic level. They were looking for ammunition !

And, if I recall correctly, nowhere in the Constitution does it state:
"All the above obtains unless the chidren are mixed race"
Which is what M implied in.the OW interview.

Well Anne hasn’t had full time security for a number of years in spite of being the victim of a kidnap attempt in the past. And I’m sure that if someone decided to kidnap a royal or royal adjacent then Zara or Peter would still
make high profile victims

They were both very confused about how the titles worked for great grandchildren of a monarch

A quick Google might have put 'Just Call Me Harry' straight.

Doesn't IPP mean that anywhere they go, eg a holiday to Canada for example, that country is required to lay on full security with outriders etc? Iy is a big deal and pretty hard to justify for Harry and Meghan.

I am not convinced they were confused , they wanted Archie to be Prince but when it was explained why he wouldn’t be ( at that time) , Meghan decided to suggest it was racism .

Of course they knew. Meghan even mentioned George V's Letters Patent in the Oprah, but then threw in some misdirection to get back on to the veiled suggestions of 'race' allegations.

The very fact that this is their ammunition tends to indicate they don't have anything bigger.

Yes. That was the problem with them settling in Canada at the start. It cost the country a lot of money. It's meant to be for politically important people which Harry just isn't.

Exactly!

@Bachboo -Harry would have know EXACTLY when his children would have received their titles. It was pure manipulation of the facts

I thought that too except actually I can't understand if he's just dim and don't even think about how things work because he's never really had to think for himself, he just got everything handed to him on a plate, especially as the child of the next in line. In the forces he was likely treated like a special case, everything done for him , in the family the firm run it all and he doesn't need to know or think anything. When he went rogue, he probably didn't realise what he had, what he threw away and was the same entitled little idiot and thought that demanding by telling tales
Across the world to bully the RF. honestly, he's stupid, MM has her own agenda so doesn't give a shit what is expected of her, and they just try to bully it out of people - ghastly 🤡🤡