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Harry not honouring Tyler Perry. Why?

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Sunblessed · 26/11/2024 14:00

Way back in July, it was announced that Harry and Meghan are tribute chairs for Tyler Perry and the award he will receive at the Paley honours Gala on December 4th. See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-tyler-perry-paley-honor-8679521

Now we are told, even though Tyler has helped his family over the years and is his daughter’s godfather, that Harry won’t be attending the gala even though he is on the hosting committee. Instead Meghan will be on her own? See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-attend-events-on-same-day-next-week-but-on-different-coasts-8751500

Why? It makes no sense. I understand that their work takes them different places but this is something they are both involved in. Harry is off to a book conference that just so happens to be on the 4th December, all the way in NY.

He was a chair of the committee and he doesn’t bother to show up? That’s really poor taste, for a man that has done so much for him.

It’s also just adding unnecessary fuel to fire that all is not well with their marriage. This is an event that they should be doing together, instead Meghan will be left to the red carpet on her own. If he didn’t want to be part of it, why did he join the hosting committee, if he never intended to host?

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Are Celebrating Their Daughter's Godfather Tyler Perry with Special Honor

Tyler Perry will be feted at the Paley Honors gala, with friends Meghan Markle and Prince Harry among the star-studded list of tribute chairs.

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-tyler-perry-paley-honor-8679521

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gramachroi · 30/11/2024 19:23

elessar · 30/11/2024 17:48

I happened to see the preview trailer for Polo on Netflix the other day and I was quite struck that it doesn't seem to have any flavour of influence from H&M as far as I could see.

Yes there was a big title saying executive produced by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but other than that, the treatment seemed to be very much in the style of a Netflix sports documentary, a la Drive to Survive, Sprint or similar. Very much leading on the glamour and wealth of the sport, with a clear "rivalry" storyline. And it looks (as you might expect) very US centred.

It looked to me very much like something that Netflix have made end to end and Harry has just stuck his name on. I couldn't detect any hallmarks of his input or influence at all.

Do we know if they are scheduled to do any additional promo for it - eg interviews etc like PH did for Spare? Dont think that they did any for the Netflix docuseries?

MummyJ12 · 30/11/2024 23:35

OneTealSloth · 30/11/2024 09:29

What love was ever extended to Archie??

Silence from all members of the RF when Archie was compared to a monkey.

No condemnation of the white supremacist podcasters who said Archie should be put down.

William correcting a reporter calling him a first time Uncle, Pippa made him one apparently, when Harry is his only sibling.

Kate who’s always fussing over babies straight up ignoring new Mom Meghan at Polo.

I’d be shocked if Charles saw Archie other than at his christening.

I’m glad Archie is with Grandma over in the US.

Silence from all members of the RF when Archie was compared to a monkey.
No condemnation of the white supremacist podcasters who said Archie should be put down.
Nor has there ever been comment on the prolific and disgusting bullying of the Princess of Wales and the children (particularly Louis) by supporters of the Sussexes and their sewer squad, from the Palaces or any member of the Royal Family. They never comment on such matters, regardless of how unhinged and depraved these people are. You should know this.

William correcting a reporter calling him a first time Uncle, Pippa made him one apparently, when Harry is his only sibling.
Yes, this is true. My aunts and uncles who married my mum and dad’s siblings are just as much my aunts and uncles as my blood relatives. What exactly is your problem with this? William was already an uncle to Arthur when Archie was born. He was absolutely right to correct the reporter. How pathetic to think otherwise.

Kate who’s always fussing over babies straight up ignoring new Mom Meghan at Polo.
How on Earth do you know for sure that Catherine ignored her? Were you there? From the photos, Catherine is sat on the grass, smiling, present and engaging with her children which is lovely. Meghan on the other hand looked like she’d rather be anywhere else, looking unhappy and rather pissed off. I could say that she didn’t attempt to sit with the (then Cambridge) family and engage either. But I won’t, because I wasn’t there, we don’t know what was going on. Apart from the fact that at this point it was clear that staff were complaining of being bullied by the Sussexes and it wasn’t going down well. It takes two to form a conversation and to engage. You have made an assumption from photos and you have no idea what happened in-between these snapshots.

I’d be shocked if Charles saw Archie other than at his christening.
Me too because they flounced off to another country. All because they couldn’t have the half in half out option they demanded.

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 01:00

It looked to me very much like something that Netflix have made end to end and Harry has just stuck his name on. I couldn't detect any hallmarks of his input or influence at all.

I saw an interview with Nacho and he said that it’s not about Harry or him but that the Sussexes and he have produced it. It’s follows 6 polo players competing at the Polo World Cup (held in Florida). I think it will get a lot of South American viewers in those countries where Polo is hugely popular. It will probably do okay in the US market too, because it looks to be about personalities of the players, their wives and girlfriends and all the glossy richness that surrounds polo. Nacho and Harry make brief cameo appearances. I assume Meghan does too.

I did not know it was a very popular middle class sport in the US up until WW2. Lots of people had horses back then. It was played on a local, community level. Also I didn’t know polo ponies are not in fact ponies. They are horses bred for agility and strength.

I was thinking I wouldn’t watch it, but I’m interested now after seeming the promo and the nacho interview. I’ll likely be in the mood for some glossy escapist reality drama mixed with sport after Christmas Day. I wonder if any of the 6 competitors the documentary follows is a woman? From a promo on social media I did learn two competitors are father and son.

I think the Heart of INVICTUS was a really good documentary. Perhaps it’s because I went in with low expectations and it turned out to be a really touching documentary that mainly followed a small group of veterans from different countries who are physically and/or psychologically wounded. The INVICTUS Games are also family affairs with the young kids there to watch their mums or dads participate. It looked like a very strong community of veterans. I still occasionally wonder how those veterans are doing now. Well, I hope.

WinnieTheW0rm · 01/12/2024 08:29

No, none of the six is a woman. There’s a list on a Netflix chat page. One WAG is a player, but she’s pregnant during the programme and therefore not playing (unlike poor Drizzle).

LaMarschallin · 01/12/2024 08:44

MummyJ12

William correcting a reporter calling him a first time Uncle, Pippa made him one apparently, when Harry is his only sibling.
Yes, this is true. My aunts and uncles who married my mum and dad’s siblings are just as much my aunts and uncles as my blood relatives. What exactly is your problem with this? William was already an uncle to Arthur when Archie was born. He was absolutely right to correct the reporter. How pathetic to think otherwise.

Absolutely this. Really scraping the coating off the bottom of the barrel.
Obviously he was already an uncle.

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 01/12/2024 08:47

The book thing is probably part of a contract abd incurs massive legal implications if he doesn't attend.

smilesy · 01/12/2024 09:23

Also I didn’t know polo ponies are not in fact ponies. They are horses bred for agility and strength.

What difference does the fact that they are technically horses make to the fact that the sport is hard on them?

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 09:53

What difference does the fact that they are technically horses make to the fact that the sport is hard on them?

No difference. It was just an interesting bit of information I think. Maybe not to others, but I like that sort of detail.

I’ve long realised horse sports are cruel.

Racehorses are bred for strength and speed and life can be very cruel for them too. I hope to see the same criticism of the RF at next Royal Ascot

6 Things They Don’t Tell You About Royal Ascot
Holly de Gavreon June 13, 2024
Elaborate hats and fancy dresses can’t distract from the cruelty on the track at Royal Ascot. Numerous horses have been injured, died, or been killed after racing at Ascot, one of the UK’s most dangerous flat racing tracks.
Here are six reasons why Royal Ascot – and all horse-racing events – should be shut down:
©Animal Aid
1. Horses Suffer and Die at Ascot
Since 2013, 30 horses have died in jumps and flat races at Ascot. Some of the causes of death have included fractured pasterns, fetlocks, cannon bones, pelvises, and legs. Pushed to the breaking point, others have collapsed and died during or after the race. Instead of acknowledging the immense suffering that horses are forced to endure at Ascot, race managers view fatalities as “side effects” of training and competition.

2. Horses Are Often Abused by Jockeys

Jockeys whip horses to push them to their physical and mental limits. Almost every single year at Royal Ascot, riders breach the rules regarding whips and the horses endure severe beatings.

3. Horses May Be Drugged
Drugs, both legal and illegal, are as ubiquitous in racing as ridiculous hats are at Ascot. Horses may be drugged to mask the pain of existing injuries and conditions, keeping them running when they should be resting or receiving treatment. And illegal drugs are sometimes used to try to make horses run faster. For example, Mahmood al-Zarooni – a trainer with one of the world’s biggest horse-racing operations – was banned from racing for eight years for doping horses with prohibited steroids.
L214 - Ethics & Animals
4. Horses May Be ‘Retired’ to the Abattoir
When horses used for racing get too old or stop performing well enough to be profitable, they’re often sent to slaughter. Approximately 1,000 horses from the industry are killed in abattoirs in Britain every year and turned into dog food or cheap meat, while others face horrific live-export journeys to Europe.

5. They’re Forced to Race While They’re Still Growing
Making horses risk their lives on the racetrack is wrong, regardless of their age. But it’s especially heartbreaking to learn that these animals are commonly forced to begin racing when they’re barely more than babies and their bodies are especially prone to damage. It’s hardly surprising, then, that injuries, lameness, and exhaustion are common.

6. It’s All About the Money
Royal Ascot rewards its winners – including horse owners, jockeys, and trainers – with mammoth sums of money. Motivated by increasing their wealth, they totally disregard horses’ health and well-being.

From PETA UK website

Sunblessed · 01/12/2024 09:58

Please create a separate thread about Ascot if that’s what you wish to discuss.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/12/2024 10:03

I wonder if there's a point being missed about "already an uncle", @MummyJ12?

This was obviously via Catherine's half of the family, and for once it's worth remembering the filth spewed in the spring by the sewer squad and the embarrassment those capable of it may have felt when tthe facts came out

In such mindsets that might well have created a certain resentment, and it follows that being an uncle from her side may not be palatable ... and then they jabber on and on about others being "haterz" Hmm

MummyJ12 · 01/12/2024 10:49

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/12/2024 10:03

I wonder if there's a point being missed about "already an uncle", @MummyJ12?

This was obviously via Catherine's half of the family, and for once it's worth remembering the filth spewed in the spring by the sewer squad and the embarrassment those capable of it may have felt when tthe facts came out

In such mindsets that might well have created a certain resentment, and it follows that being an uncle from her side may not be palatable ... and then they jabber on and on about others being "haterz" Hmm

I think this is an excellent point puzzled. Some definitely need to have a quiet word with themselves! They don’t let facts get in the way of the agenda.

gramachroi · 01/12/2024 11:31

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 09:53

What difference does the fact that they are technically horses make to the fact that the sport is hard on them?

No difference. It was just an interesting bit of information I think. Maybe not to others, but I like that sort of detail.

I’ve long realised horse sports are cruel.

Racehorses are bred for strength and speed and life can be very cruel for them too. I hope to see the same criticism of the RF at next Royal Ascot

6 Things They Don’t Tell You About Royal Ascot
Holly de Gavreon June 13, 2024
Elaborate hats and fancy dresses can’t distract from the cruelty on the track at Royal Ascot. Numerous horses have been injured, died, or been killed after racing at Ascot, one of the UK’s most dangerous flat racing tracks.
Here are six reasons why Royal Ascot – and all horse-racing events – should be shut down:
©Animal Aid
1. Horses Suffer and Die at Ascot
Since 2013, 30 horses have died in jumps and flat races at Ascot. Some of the causes of death have included fractured pasterns, fetlocks, cannon bones, pelvises, and legs. Pushed to the breaking point, others have collapsed and died during or after the race. Instead of acknowledging the immense suffering that horses are forced to endure at Ascot, race managers view fatalities as “side effects” of training and competition.

2. Horses Are Often Abused by Jockeys

Jockeys whip horses to push them to their physical and mental limits. Almost every single year at Royal Ascot, riders breach the rules regarding whips and the horses endure severe beatings.

3. Horses May Be Drugged
Drugs, both legal and illegal, are as ubiquitous in racing as ridiculous hats are at Ascot. Horses may be drugged to mask the pain of existing injuries and conditions, keeping them running when they should be resting or receiving treatment. And illegal drugs are sometimes used to try to make horses run faster. For example, Mahmood al-Zarooni – a trainer with one of the world’s biggest horse-racing operations – was banned from racing for eight years for doping horses with prohibited steroids.
L214 - Ethics & Animals
4. Horses May Be ‘Retired’ to the Abattoir
When horses used for racing get too old or stop performing well enough to be profitable, they’re often sent to slaughter. Approximately 1,000 horses from the industry are killed in abattoirs in Britain every year and turned into dog food or cheap meat, while others face horrific live-export journeys to Europe.

5. They’re Forced to Race While They’re Still Growing
Making horses risk their lives on the racetrack is wrong, regardless of their age. But it’s especially heartbreaking to learn that these animals are commonly forced to begin racing when they’re barely more than babies and their bodies are especially prone to damage. It’s hardly surprising, then, that injuries, lameness, and exhaustion are common.

6. It’s All About the Money
Royal Ascot rewards its winners – including horse owners, jockeys, and trainers – with mammoth sums of money. Motivated by increasing their wealth, they totally disregard horses’ health and well-being.

From PETA UK website

Agreed. Two wrongs dont make a right. I dont contribute directly or indirectly to the cruelty of animals - so wont choose to line the pockets of PH et al so that they can continue this cruel sport by watching the Netflix series.

Also from PETA website - as it seems you missed these reports:

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-death-of-prince-harrys-polo-pony-is-not-an-isolated-incident/

The Death of Prince Harry’s Polo Pony Is Not an Isolated Incident

The death of Drizzle, a pony Prince William and Prince Harry used for polo, has been in the news recently. According to media reports, Prince Harry was taking part in the second half of a charity match when he realised that Drizzle was struggling. Within minutes of being retired from the match, Drizzle suffered a heart attack and died.
The media are reporting Drizzle’s death as little more than an unfortunate incident. A guest at the match told The Mail on Sunday that “[i]t was very lucky that Harry rode her off because we were spared the gruesome spectacle of watching the pony die”.

Whilst the cruelty involved in horse racing is attracting more and more criticism, little attention has been paid to the plight of ponies used for polo, but the death of Drizzle is by no means an isolated incident.
Polo is very gruelling for the ponies – who are forced to constantly stop and start and make sharp turns. Ankle injuries are common. The whip is used extensively. Sudden deaths – either during a match or shortly after a match – are not uncommon.
Yet again this shows that whenever animals are exploited for “sport“, their welfare comes in a distant third behind winning and making money.

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/polo
Injuries, Illnesses, Deaths: Why Polo Is Hard on Horses

With the upcoming release of Netflix’s new docuseries POLO by the production company of Prince Harry, many are curious about the horses used in the game. While it’s easy to be wooed by the glitz on display at the matches, there is no doubt that polo is more grim than glamourous for the horses, who are forced to run at breakneck speeds before making sudden stops and sharp turns. Injuries, illness, joint disease, and pulmonary haemorrhages are just some of the problems faced by “polo ponies” (most of whom are actually full-size horses). At the end of their profitable lives, some are discarded or sent to slaughter, just like horses used in racing.* *

Polo Is Hard on Horses
Polo originated in 600 BC Tibet and was brought to the UK by British soldiers. Like most ballgames, the aim is to get the ball into a goal. This is done by smacking it with a long mallet.
Unlike sports in which only willing individuals participate, polo matches exploit a shocking 50 horses per match. The astonishing toll this high-speed, full-contact game takes on the animals’ bodies means they have to be subbed out every few minutes.
While some wealthy teams and riders may have enough horses to rotate the animals frequently to allow for adequate rest and recovery, many do not, meaning horses are easily overworked. Polo is also often played in extremely hot climates, like Argentina, India, the United Arab Emirates, and the southern United States, exacerbating the animals’ fatigue and making horses susceptible to heat exhaustion or even heat stroke.

Injuries Are Common
Often referred to as “fast and furious”, polo requires unnaturally speedy pivots on a hard playing surface, with the average horse running a combined distance of 1 mile during a single seven-minute round (called a chukka).
One study found that horses trotting on the hard surface experienced movement asymmetry and more than half the horses could be considered clinically lame.
It’s not unheard of for horses to be hit in the head by a mallet during a match. And cuts, wounds, tendon injuries, and splints are common in “polo ponies”, as are oral injuries like tongue trauma caused by the improper fit of bit and bridle accessories. Almost 50% of horses examined in one study were also found to be experiencing exercise-induced pulmonary haemorrhage (blood in the airways).
Polo players use whips and spurs to steer horses and encourage them to run faster, both of which can hurt these animals, whose nerve ending–rich skin is delicate enough to sense the touch of a fly.

Horses Are Hauled Around
“Polo ponies” are often carted around from competition to competition – which is extremely tiring for equines, as they must continually keep their balance in the moving vehicle. Sometimes, horses are transported in cramped or poorly ventilated conditions, which can lead to further stress and dehydration. In an infamous case, a former captain of the Australian polo team was charged with cruelty after 16 of his horses died during transport when they couldn’t get enough air in the vehicle. Reportedly, they were loudly whinnying in distress and no one did anything to help. This incident highlights that some people in the industry see horses as mere pieces of sporting equipment and not as the magnificent individuals that they are.

Overbred and Old Horses Considered ‘Wastage’
Just as not all greyhounds or racehorses are considered “fast enough” to make money, not all “polo ponies” are perceived to be pros, and those who become too old or lame to make money may be sent to slaughter or given to already overburdened rescue groups.
In their quest for more champions, some industry insiders have even started cloning former winning horses, which creates a whole slew of issues for animals and can shrink the gene pool.

Polo Is More Fun Without Horses
Polo can be played on bicycles and Segways and even “piggyback”, sparing horses the risks of the game and ensuring that only humans who can consent find themselves on the field. Not only are these variations a lot more fun, they’re also a fairer challenge of human ability, relying on our own skill and speed instead of that of a defenceless animal.

You Can Help Horses
Horses are gentle, intelligent prey animals who never lose their “flight” response, no matter how well-trained they are. This means that they find unpredictable situations, sudden movements, and loud crowds stressful.
Helping horses is as simple as refusing to take part in, attend, or place a bet at any event that uses horses, including polo matches and horse races.
You can also send a message to the International Olympic Committee telling it that horses are not props for human entertainment and urging it to remove all equestrian events immediately

The Death of Prince Harry's Polo Pony Is Not an Isolated Incident

The death of Drizzle, a pony Prince William and Prince Harry used for polo, has been in the news recently.

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-death-of-prince-harrys-polo-pony-is-not-an-isolated-incident

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/12/2024 11:57

Polo can be played on bicycles and Segways and even “piggyback”, sparing horses the risks of the game and ensuring that only humans who can consent find themselves on the field. Not only are these variations a lot more fun, they’re also a fairer challenge of human ability, relying on our own skill and speed instead of that of a defenceless animal

I had to smile at this bit, @gramachroi
As said I know slightly less than bugger all about horses and even less about polo, but I can't quite see players regarding any of this a suitable substitute for thrashing around on a fast and glamorous steed

And given the way Harry treats some fellow humans, why would he treat horses any better ... after all the horses can't answer back and aren't going to ask awkward questions, though I suppose they could always fling him off if they get too fed up Confused

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 22:47

One of QE2s racehorses had to be put down a few years back after it was injured when racing. Actually 2. Space Walk and Guy Fawkes.

It’s a bit hypocritical to criticise Harry for polo and not criticise the royal family for horse racing.

Sunblessed · 01/12/2024 22:54

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 22:47

One of QE2s racehorses had to be put down a few years back after it was injured when racing. Actually 2. Space Walk and Guy Fawkes.

It’s a bit hypocritical to criticise Harry for polo and not criticise the royal family for horse racing.

QE2 wasnt making millions from Netflix making a show about race horses was she though?

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Sunblessed · 01/12/2024 22:55

And for someone who has pointedly quoted PETA- check out what they stated about Harry and his treatment of polo ponies

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OneTealSloth · 02/12/2024 04:34

The Queen makes money from racing horses, Princess Anne is paid to host events on her estates but we all know where the sudden faux concern comes from.

Do not miss Polo out on Netflix, the 10th of December!

OneTealSloth · 02/12/2024 04:35

BettyBlueSky · 01/12/2024 22:47

One of QE2s racehorses had to be put down a few years back after it was injured when racing. Actually 2. Space Walk and Guy Fawkes.

It’s a bit hypocritical to criticise Harry for polo and not criticise the royal family for horse racing.

Thankful for posts like this, whether you’re a fan of H&M or not, the hypocrisy is shocking.

BettyBlueSky · 02/12/2024 04:43

Agreed @OneTealSloth

BettyBlueSky · 02/12/2024 05:02

Sunblessed · 01/12/2024 22:54

QE2 wasnt making millions from Netflix making a show about race horses was she though?

No. But that has nothing to do with the hypocrisy about Horse Racing vs Polo.

OneTealSloth · 02/12/2024 05:22

Sunblessed · 01/12/2024 22:54

QE2 wasnt making millions from Netflix making a show about race horses was she though?

So QE2 indirectly took part in the abuse and death of horses for her own “entertainment” and petty cash. Is that supposed to be better?

Thedom · 02/12/2024 07:26

It looks like the Tyler Perry awards are yet 'pay to play' charity event, I guess that explains why it is not such a big deal if Harry doesn't turn up, he has already paid his fees, so its' moot whether he is there or not.

OneTealSloth · 02/12/2024 07:55

Thedom · 02/12/2024 07:26

It looks like the Tyler Perry awards are yet 'pay to play' charity event, I guess that explains why it is not such a big deal if Harry doesn't turn up, he has already paid his fees, so its' moot whether he is there or not.

How do you mean, he’s being honoured by the Paley centre, no?

Sunblessed · 02/12/2024 08:30

OneTealSloth · 02/12/2024 05:22

So QE2 indirectly took part in the abuse and death of horses for her own “entertainment” and petty cash. Is that supposed to be better?

Yip

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Sunblessed · 02/12/2024 08:31

Thedom · 02/12/2024 07:26

It looks like the Tyler Perry awards are yet 'pay to play' charity event, I guess that explains why it is not such a big deal if Harry doesn't turn up, he has already paid his fees, so its' moot whether he is there or not.

I seen that-50k for co-chair

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