Where is Harry?

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Just that.

I think ‘Her place’ as you call it is third ranking woman of the uk. Only two women rank above her - Queen Camilla and Catherine as Princess of wales. Not bad then.

If I’m wrong I’m sure someone will correct me!

She is also I think outranked at times by royal princesses, Anne, Eugenie, Beatrice, & Alexandra. Maybe Louise?

Also outranked by the king, William and Harry.

my knowledge comes from reading Katherine by Anya Seward who somewhere talks about rank!

See, we all presume he’s put all he has in Spare. His family and possibly some sectors of the press might know what he left out and be very glad it wasn’t in the book /slightly nervous it’s going in the next.

We presume we’ve heard it all. Because he’s talked about all we know about and some stuff we didn’t.

We presume all that’s happened since has been in the public domain.

It might be true there’s nothing else. But it wasn’t that big a book to fill a whole life in it.

Going off at a tangent here, but for some reason this has reminded me of a video posted on MN of Meghan being asked, as part of a quick fire interview session, "Prince William or Prince Harry?", before she'd met Harry, with M&H watching it together. A clip of the Netflix show, maybe?
She seemed taken aback (as anyone might be by such a question) then seemed to be really weighing it up, until the interviewer whispers "Harry" (maybe because he was a bachelor and William had been married for a few years) and Meghan says, "Sure...Harry" a bit dismissively.
Poor Harry watching it looked like all his Christmases had come at once because he'd been chosen (after the one choosing was prompted to say his name) over his brother. "Sure!" he repeats happily "Sure!" and she says "Of course I chose you!".
Yeah. Eventually.
It would have been interesting to see her answer if William had been a bachelor too or if the interviewer hadn't suggested Harry's name to Meghan.
Her place might have been different if she'd had a genuine opportunity to choose William. Maybe that's what brought it to my mind.

If you think specific posts are bullying, then you should be reporting those posts to MMHQ.

I agree with you - they should not remain.

i do not agree commentary on people in the public eye should be restricted to positive comments only.

I do think that opinion should be backed up by events and sourcing given (so readers can assess the credibility of the comment. And ill-founded or even baseless attacks might cross the line beyond what is ‘in the spirit’ of MN

Interesting new angle from the Team Meghan. She is not a bully because she is so bullied. All criticism of her actions (especially the really mean, anti-feminist, putting other women down, lies that she says and does etc) is bullying. All calls for her to stop saying nasty, threatening shit in interviews is bullying. Poor Meghan is not a bully, obvious. She is just defending herself for those people who won’t do as she tells them, won’t kiss her feet and insist on call out her toxic behaviour.

Yes, very bullied. Perhaps she should take some of her own advice.

I have worked in education for many years and often the children who treat others badly will turn round and claim they are the ones who are being bullied when challenged. If it's not them, it will be their parents who claimed their child is actually being bullied when they are called in. It's a classic tactic.

I haven’t seen that but interesting !! Even if William hadn’t married Catherine I cannot imagine for 1 minute that he would have ever looked at Meghan .

Third ranked woman in the UK? She doesn’t even live in the Uk and plays no part in the family at all now. There are far more important women in the UK than three women who married into the Royal family and have achieved nothing on their own merits. Catherine and Camilla are doing a great job in their role but other than that they aren’t deserving of any ranking, apart from as a member of a family who are increasingly irrelevant.

You are correct . The late Queen clarified this several years ago . If Meghan is with Harry she outranks all women other than Camilla and Catherine however if she is on her own the “ blood princesses” outrank her .
I think !

She knows that too!

I take your point however Harry has chosen not to add any further update to the paperback version ( which authors usually do) plus appears to be trying to make moves towards some sort of reconciliation ( he says he wants that) plus attempting a more statesman like lifestyle ( in his eyes).

I don’t disagree about other important women but as things currently are, I think Meghan is third in rank. Even if she doesn’t live here. Though obviously I’m not sure! So happy to be corrected.

I was just going to post similar. You're correct as per my understanding.

It would be helpful if you pointed to what you’re looking at to say this.

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/financial-reporting/article/94672-penguin-random-house-sales-rose-7-in-2023-but-profits-dipped.html#:~:text=Sales%20at%20Penguin%20Random%20House,million%20(about%20%24720%20million).

PRH may well not have sold enough copies to cover Harold's advance:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1847669/prince-harry-book-spare-sales

If 'Spare' had made them the kind of dosh they were hoping for we'd surely have seen a push to publish further contracted books while the going was good. The fact everything's all but stalled would seem to indicate it didn't.

That article even says (it’s in the title of the link!) that sales rose in 2023. Based on the extracts in their annual report, that has definitely been contributed to by Harry, as Spare was their biggest seller.

The link also states quite clearly that the Group’s drop in pre-tax earnings was due to “higher costs and the negative impact of exchange rates”. Which impact them globally, has nothing to do with Harry, and aren’t controllable.

To put it another way - imagine how much more the higher costs and interest rates would have impacted their bottom line profit if they hadn’t been buffeted by the sales of Spare in the PRH division? I imagine the team that secured that Prince Harry contract would be receiving very large bonuses indeed.

And I think everybody knows that this book was the one and only golden egg from this particular goose…

That article even says (it’s in the title of the link!) that sales rose in 2023.

I haven't said they didn't. Sales however didn't translate into profits.

'Higher costs' covers a multitude of scenarios. Maybe the cost of Harold's advance was one.

To put it another way - imagine how much more the higher costs and interest rates would have impacted their bottom line profit if they hadn’t been buffeted by the sales of Spare in the PRH division?

Yep. I reckon they got a damn good buffeting 😁

Their balance sheet is dealing with billions in costs globally. £20m in an advance to Harry is literally loose change!

£20m in an advance to Harry is literally loose change!

Odd then they don't seem to be looking to chuck more pennies his way.

Sales however didn't translate into profits.

They clearly did though! In a year when the group made significant acquisitions (I.e.spent a lot of money) and faced riding costs, they only missed last year’s profit by 2m Euros. They still made 664m Euros profit. If sales were flat year on year they would have taken a much bigger hit.

Not really. I can’t see the book of Harry musing on Putin’s childhood trauma reaching quite the same sales figures…

I think the poster means the formal protocol of the precedence list type of ranking (not a measure of personal worth)

Orders of precedence in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

So yes, she would come 3rd, as wife of the sovereign's younger son (behind only the Queen and the Princess of Wales)

But I have a vague recollection that ER II made a specific change, putting the Princess Royal next after the Princess of Wales (anyone remember the specifics of that, I might have garbled it but I'm sure there was a change).

She also amended the rules about curtseying, so that "blood" princesses do not have to curtsey to the wives of more senior royals unless the wife is with her husband.

This helps to explain . Trying to imagine Meghan curtsying to Catherine !!
https://people.com/royals/why-beatrice-and-eugenie-rank-higher-than-kate-and-meghan-and-the-one-time-they-dont/

Thank you @EdithWeston that is what I meant and was in answer to @Trailblazin who implied that Meghan is bullied because she didn’t know her place which is as third ranking female in precedence order which imo isn’t terrible!

Ah but it’s below Catherine and that’s a problem !

Indeed!!!!