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The royal family

Where is Harry?

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Rhaidimiddim · 11/10/2024 20:03

Just that.

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Maddy70 · 12/10/2024 12:56

Prince Harry breaks silence after reuniting with family www.geo.tv/latest/568449-prince-harry-breaks-silence-after-reuniting-with-family

Hes back at home

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 12:56

What’s it to you? Wherever he is, I don’t suppose he’s wondering where you are.

JSMill · 12/10/2024 13:09

Maddy70 · 12/10/2024 12:56

Prince Harry breaks silence after reuniting with family www.geo.tv/latest/568449-prince-harry-breaks-silence-after-reuniting-with-family

Hes back at home

Is that the conversation where he says 3 and 5 year old dcs spend time scrolling on social media and come across inappropriate content, meaning he's either a shit parent or a liar.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/10/2024 13:11

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2024 12:55

Exactly this.

It doesn't sit well with me that multi-millionaires who routinely hire their own expert security services are being subbed by already heavily over-stretched public services, especially when they're here to promote themselves and/or line their swollen pockets even further.

It sits even less well that we now find so many government figures accepted top-range hospitality freebies in respect of these concerts.

Absolute swilling 😡

But there are principles at play.

One being that anyone - ANYONE! - who is judged to be at risk gets free protection, because that is what we, as a country, deem the right thing to do. It would be wrong if someone were told - you are being targeted by a Nasty Militia but we're not going to protect you unless you pay us to do so. (How would you means test for Met Office protection anyway?)

Another one being that people can't buy state protection. Otherwise, anyone and everyone who could afford it could demand it. How would such demands be handled?

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Rhaidimiddim · 12/10/2024 13:11

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 12:56

What’s it to you? Wherever he is, I don’t suppose he’s wondering where you are.

Bingo.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 13:13

Seriously, these threads are bizarre. Obsessing about a stranger. It’s unhealthy and weird.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/10/2024 13:13

Maddy70 · 12/10/2024 12:56

Prince Harry breaks silence after reuniting with family www.geo.tv/latest/568449-prince-harry-breaks-silence-after-reuniting-with-family

Hes back at home

Hoo, thanks! You answered my question.

Let the thread end!

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MrsFinkelstein · 12/10/2024 13:20

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2024 11:18

And then back via the UK for a meeting with Pa and discussion about coming back but only if his protection is re-instated.

Unfortunately we've now potentially given his security gripes fresh legs by blue-lighting a billionaire pop princess through London 😡

Can't see Harold missing that opportunity to press his case😡

Difference being that Taylor had paid £80k in July and another £182k in August for security costs, had had 3 concerts in Vienna cancelled due to credible terror threats (& I personally wouldn't want to see another Manchester arena tragedy in London) and generated - at minimum - £300M for the local London economy.

Where's the equivalence or similarity to Harry?

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2024 13:23

One being that anyone - ANYONE! - who is judged to be at risk gets free protection, because that is what we, as a country, deem the right thing to do. It would be wrong if someone were told - you are being targeted by a Nasty Militia but we're not going to protect you unless you pay us to do so.

I'm not sure it does apply to anyone though. How many times for instance do we read of victims subsequently murdered at the hands of vile stalkers despite numerous desperate reports to the authorities?

If Swift was worried about her safety (and I'm not saying there wasn't a credible threat) it was always open to her to cancel the UK concerts just as she had the Austrian ones.

After all singers have been known to cancel for sore throats...

MrsFinkelstein · 12/10/2024 13:24

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2024 12:09

Quoting myself but the previous posts by @Serenster @Gorgonemilezola and@PlayDadiFreyr put a much different slant, I had forgotten about the terrorist threat which would explain why she did receive Met security, though I still expect Harry will still use it to support his non existent case.

That, and Taylor Swift had paid for security (£80k and £182k). This was not close personal protection but bog standard Met Police crowd control that anyone can pay for. Football clubs, other celebs do (eg., Kate Moss' wedding).

It is absolutely not the same as close PP which is specialised and only available on an "at needed" basis.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 12/10/2024 13:26

MrsLeonFarrell · 12/10/2024 08:32

This is an example of where I think Meghan needs to learn to do things differently. She always centres her own experience but how much more powerful would it be if she talked about the bullying others had experienced instead. Basing everything on your own experience is really limited and leaves you open to criticism but turning the spotlight onto others is far more effective and sustainable.

Requires the absence of narcissism though…..tricky…

Patienceinshortsupply · 12/10/2024 13:26

I would find it hard for anyone to criticise funding for Taylor Swift. She brought millions to the London economy with her tour and had a credible security threat that lead to cancelled concerts.

Unlike certain people with their New York car chase........

Ellmau · 12/10/2024 13:30

I may not understand it all but I thought Archie was born in the UK surely he will be classed as British.
Lilibet is American as she was born there.

They're both automatically US/UK dual citizens.

Lilibet is a British citizen by descent, so unless she comes back to live in the UK she won't be able to pass on her UK citizenship to her own children, but Archie will, for one more generation.

Archie is also a US citizen due to having an American mother.

They are both currently US residents.

MrsFinkelstein · 12/10/2024 13:33

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2024 13:23

One being that anyone - ANYONE! - who is judged to be at risk gets free protection, because that is what we, as a country, deem the right thing to do. It would be wrong if someone were told - you are being targeted by a Nasty Militia but we're not going to protect you unless you pay us to do so.

I'm not sure it does apply to anyone though. How many times for instance do we read of victims subsequently murdered at the hands of vile stalkers despite numerous desperate reports to the authorities?

If Swift was worried about her safety (and I'm not saying there wasn't a credible threat) it was always open to her to cancel the UK concerts just as she had the Austrian ones.

After all singers have been known to cancel for sore throats...

Stalking is a horrific crime that absolutely needs to be taken more seriously.

Not in anyway similar to the thought of a terror attack at a concert where thousands of people are present.

And the leaks about the Met "not being happy" are currently part of a concerted attempt by the RW press to criticise and attack the Govt. It's disappointing to see o many on the left fall for it.

And the facts remain - Swift paid for security costs, as do all these big events. Her's required more due to sheer numbers of attendants and a significant increase in threat level.

EdithWeston · 12/10/2024 13:34

Willowgirls · 12/10/2024 12:44

I may not understand it all but I thought Archie was born in the UK surely he will be classed as British.
Lilibet is American as she was born there.

Both can be dual nationals.

Archie is British other than by descent, as he was born in Britain to a British parent, whereas Lili is (probably) British by descent as she was born overseas to a British parent.

(If however Harry was, at the time of her birth, on a crown service/diplomatic/head of state official visa, then it is perhaps possible that Lili could also be considered British other than by descent (same pattern as DC born to eg diplomats and armed forces personnel during overseas postings)).

Those two types make no practical difference to the Sussex DC, but it would affect the entitlement of their descendants to claim British nationality if A&L remained overseas and their descendants were born outside Britain.

Cattery · 12/10/2024 13:34

LaMarschallin · 12/10/2024 12:48

It just reminds me of contestants on "Pointless". They always say things like "And this is my wonderful husband" or And this is my gorgeous wife" and you think "Huh? What now?".
You'll know if it's my DH and me on "Pointless" as we'll refer to the other as "my adequate spouse".

Exactly. Straight from the fake pages of social media. “Love of me life”. That’s funny because you were planning a wedding to someone else before he dumped you two months ago. I don’t believe any of it. If it’s genuine you don’t need to keep ramming the point home. The real couples are just quietly content x

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 13:38

Why do you care?

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2024 13:39

Not in anyway similar to the thought of a terror attack at a concert where thousands of people are present.

I don't have any issue with security being upped to protect the audience once the concerts got the go-ahead.

I do have an issue with publicly funded escorts for a billionaire here purely on a self-promotion exercise.

Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2024 13:39

Maddy70 · 12/10/2024 12:56

Prince Harry breaks silence after reuniting with family www.geo.tv/latest/568449-prince-harry-breaks-silence-after-reuniting-with-family

Hes back at home

It doesn’t say when or where this conversation took place . As far as I know Johnathan Haidt is based in New York so maybe the interview was done a couple of weeks ago when Harry was there ?

Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2024 13:41

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 13:13

Seriously, these threads are bizarre. Obsessing about a stranger. It’s unhealthy and weird.

There are lots of other threads on MN - style , dogs, cats, health to name a few ….

smilesy · 12/10/2024 13:47

MrsFinkelstein · 12/10/2024 13:33

Stalking is a horrific crime that absolutely needs to be taken more seriously.

Not in anyway similar to the thought of a terror attack at a concert where thousands of people are present.

And the leaks about the Met "not being happy" are currently part of a concerted attempt by the RW press to criticise and attack the Govt. It's disappointing to see o many on the left fall for it.

And the facts remain - Swift paid for security costs, as do all these big events. Her's required more due to sheer numbers of attendants and a significant increase in threat level.

She paid for security around the venues etc, like football clubs do. She don’t pay for Special Protection. You can’t pay for that. So neither could Harry, not that he wants to. It was allocated accord to perceived current threat. Whether this was appropriate is another discussion entirely

ThePoshUns · 12/10/2024 13:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 13:13

Seriously, these threads are bizarre. Obsessing about a stranger. It’s unhealthy and weird.

And yet here you are.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/10/2024 16:00

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/10/2024 13:13

Seriously, these threads are bizarre. Obsessing about a stranger. It’s unhealthy and weird.

Except he's not a "stranger" is he? For the first 30+ years of his life I had his face pushed into my consciousness regularly as a scion of the family of the HoS. He is still in the line of succession.

And he continues to try to get my buy-in - as early as this year wanting to come and help the HoS out for a bit. On my taxes.

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wordler · 12/10/2024 16:16

Serenster · 12/10/2024 11:51

Harry and his supporters won’t see this, but the Taylor Swift example undermines Harry’s case, it doesn’t support it. It shows that the Met (who already have a separate division that is available to protect public figures other than royals and MPs - it protected Salman Rushdie and I’m guessing recently Holly Willoughby, for example) will provide security if their assessment of the level of threat justifies it. There was obviously a high threat level against Taylor - she had to cancel the tour leg immediately before she travelled to London. And while MPs may have been lobbying, we have no indication what tilted the scales with the Met - the potential threat is obvious though, even to plebs like us.

Harry has the same deal as Taylor - if there’s a serious threat, you’ll get security. So far presumably he’s not passed that threshold. Taylor did.

And the other part of the equation is the protection of the public in connection to the protection of the person being protected.

If there’s a serious terrorist threat against you as there was with Taylor Swift that week and as there was/is for Salaman Rushdie etc you need experienced security professionals to not only protect your person but to direct your movements and react to danger so that you are safe but you don’t also put any crowds of people around you in danger.

Harry never seems to get that part of the issue. No one wants anything to happen to Taylor Swift but 9 times out of 10 her regular security people can handle her safety just fine - with support from the police for crowd control at concerts. But the big concern on this occasion was a potential major terrorist attack.

So a one off assessment was made for her - which is EXACTLY the effing deal Harry has.

Dabralor · 12/10/2024 16:19

He's probs enjoying a Saturday with his family like lots of other people.

Jeez, it's tragic how overinvested people are in some rich dude who left the UK four years ago.