Meg’s era of joy

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Showing up to support her very close friend who lost her child and also the children’s hospital at an evening gala. What a friend to have in the Duchess. Meghan was glowing, fresh faced, wore minimal makeup, was confidant and smiley. She was well spoken and supportive of the evening fund raiser when interviewed. Show Up, Do Good. Yes, she always does. Loved her look too.

@Petitchat what are you actually saying ?

"Do you think she has done this to herself or is it the result of seemingly millions of people against her?"

That she has just turned this way naturally because of criticism?

She has had several nose jobs and other cosmetic procedures because of criticism?

She is a celebrity and lives in California. They all constantly get work done. It's part of the Californian celebrity culture.

She has had several nose jobs and other cosmetic procedures because of criticism?

Meghan first started to have work done long before she met Harry and I think it can be difficult to stop once you’ve started down that road.

I hate seeing a woman's worth placed on beauty but that also goes for those who gush about beauty as welll. Meghan has made a living off being beautiful from deal or no to deal to the part of Rachel in suits. Both parts required beauty first and foremost. Meghan has no problem even now using her looks for financial gain with clothes sponship and benefits in kinds from designers. Then there's Harry who is putting incredible pressure on lilibet with the princess Diane comments and now the "blessed" with meghans hair. I worry for lilibet as I'm torn with the privacy as when she eventually makes an appearance the scrutiny will be vile and Harry has piled on the beauty standards pressure. Their supporters don't help with every photo released being gushed over like teenagers with their first crush as apparently being photographed seems to imply their winning in life because of Meghans beauty.

I can see her appearance has changed over time but I can't for the life of me see all these tweaks and work she's meant to have had. Her makeup is heavier for sure but she must have a really good cosmetic surgeon - is that the term?

She has full bodily autonomy. She has c
CHOSE to do this. It’s not an uncommon thing to do in Hollywood but she doesn’t HAVE to do it. I find it sad when anyone has work done, but she was so natural pretty and glowing after she had Archie and Lili, yet she chose to destroy her face and body with surgery, extreme weight loss and Botox. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone call her ugly, fat or criticise her personal appearance (clothes choice not included) before this past year or two before she started messing with her appearance.

I wouldn't find myself in said situation because I do not court attention. Meghan does court attention (by making ‘red’ carpet appearances like this, talking to magazines, making documentaries and going on tour). She feels the need to do this to herself for whatever reason. If millions claimed to hate me I would be looking at what I was doing to make people ‘hate’ me and talking it out with a therapist, not altering my appearance so that I’m barely recognisable.

I can never tell what is evidence of work done and what is different make up, photography lighting and camera angles. Unless it's extreme like Madonna, even I can see she has had work done!

It's pretty clear to me that she has had work done. Her nose in particular is narrowed and the tip reduced. Many of the famous African American women get their noses narrowed. Halle Berry, Beyoncé, Janet Jackson, Kelly Rowland. Meghan is no different in that respect.

Hmm, I don’t see Megan as beautiful. I see her aa an attractive woman who does a lot of grooming , hair and good make up, she often focused on sex appeal. I think it’s personal views. But I’m not sure many people would proclaim Megan as beautiful, and that’s not bitchy, as said she’s attractive and does sexy, but she’s no Angelina jolie or grace kelly. Women I would consider were beautiful.

@TofeeFurs

It's culturally insensitive in this day and age to speak in a derogatory way about a black woman's hair.

Is it?

I understand that hair comes in genetically different ways. I have (curses!) very fine, straight hair. A Chinese friend moans to me about being unable to create beachy waves in her, very straight, hair. Another mixed race friend hates the rain because she gets her hair straightened but it goes a bit curly and coarse when wet and her fringe, which she likes, goes wrong. Yet another friend, whose parents are from Botswana, loves her afro (and I'm jealous of having hair that doesn't need continuous faffing with).

But a black woman's hair can only be spoken about in a non-derogatory way?

I may be misunderstanding this, but does that actually mean that you have to compliment a black woman's hair or not mention it at all?
My friend with the fringe would be very irritated when it goes crinkly and her friends say "No! It's lovely!' or say nothing at all.

And are we supposed to ignore black mens' hair too?
"I loved the martini glass shape you had shaved on the back of your head but the Mickey Mouse is awful!" would be something I shouldn't have said to my cousin?

Oh, I thought the comments on this thread were re recent work and not tweaks she had pre Harry. I'm sure you're right as you obviously know a lot more about it than I do.

Oh, I thought the comments on this thread were re recent work and not tweaks she had pre Harry. I'm sure you're right as you obviously know a lot more about it than I do

When someone implies Meghan has had all the work done because of the criticisms she’s faced it’s perfectly acceptable to point out that her plastic surgery started way before Harry came on the scene.

Meghan in her teens. ☺️

What does Harry mean when he says Lilibet has 'Meghans hair' we know from photos that she has strawberry blonde hair that looks soft and nothing like Meghans real hair, which was a strong afro until she started getting it chemically straightened and who now wears weaves and wigs.

They certainly seem to put a lot of value on her appearance, 'blue, blue eyes' 'lucky to have long hair like Meghan'. Did he really say she 'looks like Diana' ?

I don't think I have ever heard William or Catherine publicly commenting on their childrens looks, is this another one of Harry in competition with the compliments the Wales children receive?

its bizarre for parents who really do want to keep their children lives private.

Surely it's not luck to have long hair, you just wait for it to grow?

Lifestooshort71

I can see her appearance has changed over time but I can't for the life of me see all these tweaks and work she's meant to have had. Her makeup is heavier for sure but she must have a really good cosmetic surgeon - is that the term?

Are you asking if "cosmetic surgeon" is the term for a surgeon who carries out work to produce an improved cosmetic effect?
Yes, it is. A friend of mine who specialises in facial surgery talks about "plastic surgery" to help people who have become disfigured due to, for example, tumours and "cosmetic surgery" to help people who want, for example, a narrower nose bridge for aesthetic purposes. He does the former as his NHS job.

(I hope I haven't missed the the point: it's hard to believe you are actually struggling with the well-known term "cosmetic surgeon" so maybe you were asking something else?)

Oh, I thought the comments on this thread were re recent work and not tweaks she had pre Harry. I'm sure you're right as you obviously know a lot more about it than I do.

Ah. She had "tweaks" pre Harry and "work" now.
I think you do yourself down, Lifestooshort71, you seem to know plenty about "it".

Aged 15 in Europe.

It's very difficult to comment on this but yes they were the ones who shouted racism about appearance before Archie was even born yet now they are celebrating blue eyes 🤷‍♀️

@Lifestooshort71

"Oh, I thought the comments on this thread were re recent work and not tweaks she had pre Harry. I'm sure you're right as you obviously know a lot more about it than I do."

I have no idea about the dates of all her procedures. I do know though that she looks very different. Does it matter when she had them done? Pre Harry? Post Harry? Yes I have a certain knowledge about some of this - it's well known that many women in show biz have had their noses done. Jennifer Anniston, Blake Lively, Nicole Kidman to name a few others.

As a mother of a daughter I have never commented on my dd's appearance to others as I don't consider that to be what's valuable about her and I don't want her to think that either. Just yesterday I was with her when I met an old work colleague who had never met dd. She said 'aren't you pretty? Don't you have lovely hair?' I immediately changed topic.

I don't like Meghan - I judge her on her behaviour and actions - as seen on documentaries and in her own words in interviews, speeches and elsewhere.

But I've always thought she's a very, very attractive woman. Like Vespasnest, I'm uncomfortable with gushing over an individual's physical appearance. I'm not referring to most of the posts on this thread, but to the ones (on so-called 'positive threads' 🙄) which blather on in a teenage fan-way about M and her expensive clothes and jewellery. It annoys me because it seems the fans are wilfully ignoring her nastiness and valuing her for her prettiness and wealth. I'm a bit of a puritan - I admit!!

Also, I completely understand the pressures on women in that awful, sham world that Meghan has fought very hard to be a part of - but even so, I think she looked so much better with a rounder face - say, in the Tom Bradby 'No-one has asked about me -quivering lip' interview. I read somewhere that she was aiming to look progressively more like Julia Roberts (which is weird - she's potentially prettier than JR) and the work is all going in that direction. Such a shame because all these starlets end up looking indistinguishable.

Before any fans jump on me - I'm not saying that M has taken it as far as Michael Jackson. But it's well-known that MJ adored Diana Ross and basically tried to turn himself into her doppelganger. When you see pictures of MJ as a teenager/young man he was absolutely stunningly handsome; why couldn't he see that, and just leave his face alone? Similarly, I wish Meghan would just stop before she becomes a total clone of all the other tweaked, ski-jump-nosed women in Hollywood.

And people saying no-one should comment on her hair!! What? If Meghan's hair was in its natural state, then I'd agree - but she's quite determinedly changed it beyond recognition - which she has every right to do - so any delicacy about her African-American heritage is totally irrelevant here. She has obliterated it - and again, I don't need a lecture from fans about the reasons for that and the dodgy pressures in Hollywood. But if your appearance is your stock in trade and you constantly change it in response to fashion, then of course people are going go comment on it - it's fair game and nothing to do with the racism.

Of course it is inappropriate to speak about black/mixed women's hair in a nasty way.

Let's re-educate people on history.

First of all, as we all know, black people were abused for many years by white people. One of the ways that white people abused black people was to be nasty about their hair.

This is why you still find many black women now - permanently straightening their afros.

As they get such abuse about their natural hair.

Of course it's inappropriate to talk about a mixed race woman's hair negatively, and then compare it to a man's hair. This thread is so nasty.

As a mother of a daughter I have never commented on my dd's appearance to others as I don't consider that to be what's valuable about her and I don't want her to think that either. Just yesterday I was with her when I met an old work colleague who had never met dd. She said 'aren't you pretty? Don't you have lovely hair?' I immediately changed topic.

@JSMill

Completely agree. It's just one of those battles you keep having to fight - it seems hard-wired into us (men and women) to put huge value on physical appearance. I was a teacher and I heard so many comments in my time from staff which made me uneasy, such as this from a male teacher:

"It's so hard, isn't it, when you have to tell off a pretty little blonde girl!"

Being good-looking is great - no-one would deny that. But I get queasy and uncomfortable when people gush, and especially when people are given 'credit' and value for being attractive.

Before anyone says - are you just jealous? I haven't got any hang-ups about my looks - I'd say I was reasonably good-looking, as is my daughter. It's not an achievement, though, is it, being attractive?

I love these photos of her as a teenager. Again, she was naturally pretty in a very girl next door type of way. I get that isn’t always going to do things for her in Hollywood, especially as a mixed race woman, but it’s a shame that she felt the need to change her already very pretty face.

A lot of this thread is disgusting. No wonder she left England, if this was the amount of abuse that she got from people here.

It's like a pack of vultures. Real, real nasty and cruel stuff.