Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

Sorry, Mylovelygreendress, x-posted.
You were much more succinct

@Spectre8 noone is saying that you're lying. I know that in some denominations/belief systems in the UK, the legal formalities need to be completed in a registry office separate from any religious or informal ceremony.

The point a lot of us are making is that was not the case with Meghan and Harry. They were married by a religious rite, in a consecrated place, by the Archbishop of Canterbury. The legal bit was covered during the service and they signed the register in the chapel.

What happened in the KP garden (it sounds like as part of a rehearsal) was a private exchange of vows they'd devised themselves and a blessing by the Archbishop. It was in no way, shape or form a wedding, legally or in religious terms. Fine that they did something private and meaningful, good on them, but Meghan went wrong by describing it as " we got married" 3 days before without qualifying it, because they didn't.

@Mylovelygreendress @LaMarschallin you're both more succinct than me!

What happened in the KP garden (it sounds like as part of a rehearsal) was a private exchange of vows they'd devised themselves and a blessing by the Archbishop. It was in no way, shape or form a wedding, legally or in religious terms. Fine that they did something private and meaningful, good on them, but Meghan went wrong by describing it as " we got married" 3 days before without qualifying it, because they didn't

Meghan is clearly a bit fast and loose with the actual truth, but I do think that here she was trying to imply that actually they were already “spiritually” married rather than legally. It is still problematic, however because she definitely used the words “we were married” which obviously quite reasonably can be interpreted as in the legal sense.

My biggest issue with it is that she seems to be implying that their actual legal marriage had no real meaning for her and was just for show. That struck me as incredibly ungrateful and rude and as though she was trying to show that they were somehow superior by having this private thing with the Bish a few days before. It came across as sneary and condescending

But no, they didn’t get married three days before they got married. And as pp have said, they could have easily avoided “the spectacle” by having a small wedding. But that wasn’t really what they wanted. Until they thought they could seem superior by saying they did

What charity work was Megan doing before she married? She was an unknown TV actress. She went to Africa around the time she met Harry which was since been exposed as being nothing more than a glorified photo shoot, using African children as props. This was done as part of the image so as to sell herself to Harry as being a second Diana. It was NOT charity work.

Parrot chess? Is that better that pigeon chess?

I can't believe we're yet again being browbeaten on the subject of what Meghan meant when she said blah blah blah.

I thought the fake pregnancies thing was laughable and so bizarre. But when I was ill last year I was bored enough to watch a bunch of YouTube videos about it and honestly, I can see why the theory is out there! The whole thing is bizarre. Her bump changing sizes, it jiggling up and down and swaying from side to side when she walked - it appeared nothing like a normal baby bump. Her constantly cupping it around the bottom as if she's afraid of it slipping. I never felt the need to cup my bump around the bottom, it's not a natural gesture. More like you rest your hand on top or around the bump, but not holding it from beneath.

Photos of the bump appearing to slip down to her knees as she approaches her car. Her being able to squat right down easily at 9 months pregnant with her ankles and knees tight together and then rise up again easily with complete ease and grace. And the bump doing a popping noise when she rises! It really did get me considering that perhaps she and Harry did use surrogates for the babies. She was over 40 after all.

Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne set up some charity visits for Meghan and ensured media coverage. She acted for Meghan as an agent with the focus on making Meghan out to be a philanthropist (this is when she was criticised for all of the wardrobe changes and turning a charity visit into a photoshoot).
Meghan terminated her contract the day before her relationship with Harry was made public and has since ghosted her.

I think @EdithWeston made a really good point here. It had escaped me that the AofC (because of his powers) was actually put on the spot, in a way that any other clergy wouldn't be. Not a massive fan of +Welby, but I'm sure he isn't daft enough to start conducting impromptu back garden nuptials just because he can, but there are doubtless those who would chose to believe it.

She was mid 30s I think, not over 40.
The thing that disconvinces me (is that a word??) is that she very much looked like she had given birth afterwards - weight gain in the face etc.
And I know nothing about moonbumps but surely they're silicone rather than blow up, and therefore unpoppable.
I think Moonbumpgate is all very fanciful personally.

It's really interesting to me that people still vehemently defend Megan. Have they watched how she comes across in interviews, at the Lion King premier? I don't go by what people say on Internet forums or tabloid articles, but she consistently comes across terribly in interviews, press appearances, speaking events, charity events. I've practically blushed with second hand embarrassment at her behavior at times. Awkward, a bit dim, uncharismatic.. those things are forgivable. But it's not that, she's awful - nauseatingly insincere, crushingly tone deaf, completely un self aware and self absorbed. Her word salads are cringeworthy, her hunger for adulation is palpable, her self satisfaction and smugness make her universally off putting. I'm thinking those who defend her have not watched much footage of her, they just like pretty pictures and the idea of her. Watch the recent appearance they did with an American interviewer and some bereaved parents whose teens died by suicide and tell me again that Megan is a good, empathetic, caring person.

Well exactly, if one was to waste time seething with jealousy over sometime - presumably because they are attractive (she) and wealthy (him)? - why on earth would they be top of anyones list?! Of all the attractive and wealthy people, who honestly would pick people as universally looked down upon, cheapness, disgraced and ridiculous as they have made themselves to be? It's like envying Britney Spears or Prince Andrew.

Agreed, they are generally an unremarkable bunch but the others at least tend to make the effort to put a bit of spit and polish on it, rehearsing their speech so it flows well even if nervous, good manners and courteous behavior, fair grasp of the English Language..

For me the religious ceremony is when I am married not the UK legal part and if anyone asked me thats what i would say. I don't think she is wrong to say for her thats when she felt she had got married.

I haven't finished the thread yet so someone may have corrected this already but this is nonsensical at best as a defence of Meghan. Her wedding ceremony included both religious and legal elements. She did not claim that these were separate and that for her one was more meaningful than the other. She claimed that she got married three days before her wedding, which was a lie, forcing the AoC to deny publicly that he had conducted an illegal marriage.

One of my friends got married in a gorgeous church in Tetbury. Seems a random suggestion for H&M.

Beatrice subtly blew the 'forced spectacle' narrative out of the water...

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Yes, Beatrice peeking around that arch in her borrowed dress and spectacular tiara was a good sight and brava to her for turning a lockdown wedding into a real positive. Classy.

Exactly, and the fact that this was the story they came up with for the book just shows how desperately they had to scrape the barrel to try and make Catherine look mean.

I always thought that her even asking to borrow the lip gloss was potentially an indication of a schemer who loves to play games and create drama. Deliberately putting people in difficult situations, to see how they react. A bit like how sociopath men sit too close to a woman etc and enjoy seeing her discomfort.

I've seen clips you mention - not sure if suggestions they are doctored, dated wrong or that she worn extra padding over her bump to emphasis it are correct - but went from this is just a ridiculous assertion to oh that's why people are questioning it.

Also seem suggestion that there are no pg stories and odd recounting in spare of birth story and bizarre assertions apparently from her siblings she had a hysterectomy.

I suspect simplest explanation is she was pg as using surrogate would impact on succession and in UK law couldn't be simple birth certificate with Harry and Meghan as parents I believe .

The lack of stories of pg birth and around kids is probably attempt to keep kids out of media by Harry. I think they were playing games with media in pg and births trying to be clever - so padding and emphasis bump odd behavior with announcement.

As their credibility decreases with time and lies told people "find" facts to support their view that she was pg was also a lie.

I once watched a video on YT where it went into dozens and dozens of lies shes told and how easy it was to prove they were lies. It was so many, like pathological liar level. And some of them were so silly that it's hard to understand why she would even lie. Like the lie she told in The Cut interview about a south African member of the cast at the Lion King premier approached her and told her with emotion that when she married PH the people of SA were cheering and dancing and crying in the street just like they did when Mandela was released from prison. She compared her wedding to Mandela being released from prison. So this was dug into by various journalists and the one and only south African cast member of the Lion King came forward and exposed it all as completely made up. She seems to live in a fantasy world.

I can’t believe she used a surrogate with Archie as that would involve too many people to keep that secret - they also had round the clock protection then and I don’t believe the UK police officers would be happy to participate in a deception that could affect the line of succession. Also she definitely had postpartum face and figure in a way that I think she would have been too vain to fake.

However I do think she used shape wear / padding to try to make the bump look more photogenic and adjusted to in different outfits which makes it look odd as it seems to get bigger and smaller and does that odd loose swaying thing in some video clips.

I think she wanted ‘Hollywood’ pregnancy cute bump and didn’t have it naturally - I had a weird big shape that just make me look fat for ages when I was pregnant - I didn’t get one of those cute popped out shapes - so I just looked overweight. I could imagine someone who is very camera conscious not wanting to look fat rather than pregnant.

So…. Meghan is now being publicly rejected by the Hollywood set she (and Harry) yearned to dominate. I don’t suppose that their home is a particularly happy or tranquil haven at the moment.

So Harry is getting fed up with Meghan not delivering the perfect life for him, and he is revving up for a ‘solo’ flight. He hopes to come back to England, and be acceptable to his Family and the British public ( in that order) again.

I expect he will blame Meghan for everything : ‘my wife made me do it, she made me be nasty about my brother, my sister in law, my stepmother….it’s all her fault, I’m just a victim’.

I really hope no one falls for it. I never thought I would feel sorry for Meghan, but I think she may have met her nemesis in Harry.

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I agree. We are all flawed human beings but there are particular combinations that simply do not work and the more I look at it, the more I think this is (sadly) what Harry and Meghan are. When the first flush is over, there has to be some basic sense of travelling in the same direction, shared wishes, and I'm not seeing that with these two at the moment. A sort of trauma bond, "us against the world" thing works for a bit and is quite powerful but it doesn't last through decades of life, however superficially luxurious.

I stress that I'd be quite happy to be wrong with 2 children involved.

Like the lie she told in The Cut interview about a south African member of the cast at the Lion King premier approached her and told her with emotion that when she married PH the people of SA were cheering and dancing and crying in the street just like they did when Mandela was released from prison. She compared her wedding to Mandela being released from prison. So this was dug into by various journalists and the one and only south African cast member of the Lion King came forward and exposed it all as completely made up. She seems to live in a fantasy world.

Also the story about the day she left the UK and the pilot came to her seat, got down on one knee, look off his cap and said "thank you for your service to my country"