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Continuing HR article, Netflix

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Twistybranch · 21/09/2024 10:31

See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Has Hollywood turned on the Sussexes? Industry bigwigs reveal all

Days after a ­brutal take-down in The Hollywood Reporter, which labelled Meghan as 'Duchess Difficult', neither she nor Harry attended her talent agent's Emmys after party.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

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Alectoishome · 27/09/2024 15:38

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 15:24

The jurys always been out for me on that one @IcedPurple . For me one of the more understandable things about Harry is his obsession with keeping his family safe, but would he actually listen if an impartial, honest broker without skin in the game gave a realistic risk assessment of what they really need? I'm far from sure it would be judged to be as high as it is, although as you say that massive house can't be helping matters and I'm no expert.

It is an element of "rich people life" that I would absolutely hate and avoid at all costs, but I suppose Harry is used to it and maybe Meghan does think it lends status.

I have started to doubt whether he really does fear for his families safety though. He and Meghan have been happy to leave the children without either parent at home, right from when Archie was a few months old. Even with all the staff and security and probably Meghan's mum.. it doesn't ring true to me that he would be happy with that. Meghan flew off for a week or more to watch Serena Williams play tennis when Archie was only a couple of months old. She's not maternal. And he seems OK with that. They are away from the children a lot, far more than they would have been expected to be as working royals with babies, and far more than many working celebrities. I don't think either of them are emotionally capable of having a typical parent/child dyad with a normal level of attachment etc, with their children.

CoffeeCantata · 27/09/2024 15:40

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 15:05

I too think that at what must be their current rate of spending and on their present trajectory, they are going to hit the financial rocks at some point. Without a major and long term moneyspinner, of which there seems no tangible sign, the lifestyle they've espoused can't be viable.The security alone must be millions of dollars a year.

And Meghan won't want to lose face by drawing her horns in in terms of lifestyle. In that world, people will be hyper-conscious of labels and brands and she seems to live by them.

But her 'closet' must be bursting with designer clothes by now!

Yes, God knows how much their staff -security and other - must cost.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/09/2024 15:46

IcedPurple · 27/09/2024 15:32

If he was genuinely obsessed with keeping his family safe he wouldn't have flounced off to the other side of the world with no job and no security, leaving behind his police protection and the home on one of the most secure estates in the country.

Nor would he leave his tiny children behind while he and his wife go on jollies on another continent.

Nor indeed, would he keep whining to the press about his 'security' or lack thereof. In fact, that's the last thing someone genuinely concerned about their safety would do. It's all about status and having what his brother has.

If he genuinely feared for their safety, the two of them would never have gone to Colombia.

There have been a number of credible threats against the life of the vice president lady who invited them, by a drug cartel.

It was NOT safe for them to be on stage next to her and a good security expert would have advised against it.

Given that Harry has speculated on TV about an acid attack or stabbing being perpetrated against Meghan, I am amazed he was so cavalier.

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 15:49

@IcedPurple @Alectoishome all very fair points. The worst thing security wise he could have done (the move to the US) he did.

Also agree that some of their choices as parents are very strange, I vividly remember Diana insisting on baby William accompanying them on the Australia tour.

MummyJ12 · 27/09/2024 15:52

If he feared for his family’s safety he definitely wouldn’t have written about his Taliban kill count in Spare and compared them to chess pieces.

Triplesec · 27/09/2024 15:55

Ch. 52, Spare.

”Our staff sensed the friction, read the press, and thus there was frequent bickering around the office. Sides were taken. Team Cambridge versus Team Sussex. Rivalry, jealousy, competing agendas – it all poisoned the atmosphere. It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources. At best we were able to address 10 per cent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times, and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told. The great irony, I told him, was that the real villains were the people he’d imported into the office, people from government, who didn’t seem impervious to this kind of strife – but addicted to it. They had a knack for backstabbing, a talent for intrigue, and they were constantly setting our two groups of staff against each other. Meanwhile, in the midst of all this, Meg managed to remain calm. Despite what certain people were saying about her, I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. On the contrary, I watched her redouble her efforts to reach out, to spread kindness. She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office. I stood back in awe at her ability, or determination, to always see the good in people. The size of her heart was really brought home for me one day. I learned that Mr R, my former upstairs neighbour when I was in the badger sett, had suffered a tragedy. His adult son had died. Meg didn’t know Mr R. Neither did she know the son. But she knew the family had been my neighbours, and she’d often seen them walking their dogs. So she felt tremendous sorrow for them, and wrote the father a letter, expressing condolences, telling him she wanted to give him a hug but didn’t know if it would be appropriate. With the letter she included a gardenia, to plant in the son’s memory. A week later Mr R appeared at our front door at Nott Cott. He handed Meg a thank-you note and gave her a tight hug. I felt so proud of her, so regretful about my feud with Mr R. More, I felt regretful about my family feuding with my wife.”

Alectoishome · 27/09/2024 16:14

Triplesec · 27/09/2024 15:55

Ch. 52, Spare.

”Our staff sensed the friction, read the press, and thus there was frequent bickering around the office. Sides were taken. Team Cambridge versus Team Sussex. Rivalry, jealousy, competing agendas – it all poisoned the atmosphere. It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources. At best we were able to address 10 per cent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times, and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told. The great irony, I told him, was that the real villains were the people he’d imported into the office, people from government, who didn’t seem impervious to this kind of strife – but addicted to it. They had a knack for backstabbing, a talent for intrigue, and they were constantly setting our two groups of staff against each other. Meanwhile, in the midst of all this, Meg managed to remain calm. Despite what certain people were saying about her, I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. On the contrary, I watched her redouble her efforts to reach out, to spread kindness. She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office. I stood back in awe at her ability, or determination, to always see the good in people. The size of her heart was really brought home for me one day. I learned that Mr R, my former upstairs neighbour when I was in the badger sett, had suffered a tragedy. His adult son had died. Meg didn’t know Mr R. Neither did she know the son. But she knew the family had been my neighbours, and she’d often seen them walking their dogs. So she felt tremendous sorrow for them, and wrote the father a letter, expressing condolences, telling him she wanted to give him a hug but didn’t know if it would be appropriate. With the letter she included a gardenia, to plant in the son’s memory. A week later Mr R appeared at our front door at Nott Cott. He handed Meg a thank-you note and gave her a tight hug. I felt so proud of her, so regretful about my feud with Mr R. More, I felt regretful about my family feuding with my wife.”

It's just so disingenuous. How can he expect anyone to believe that he's never heard her say one bad word about anyone? We've all heard her saying terrible venemous things on Oprah and Netflix. But even without that, how can it be true that you'd NEVER hear your spouse say a bad word about anyone, ever. My DH is such a person who rarely has a bad word to say about anyone and if he thinks poorly of someone he rarely can be drawn on the matter and keeps his own council. But of course I have heard him say a bad word about people on occasion, sometimes he's even been a bad tempered, unreasonable bugger and an outsider may have thought he was a grumpy sod.
Always they go too far and try to make her sound like Disney's Snow White or something.

Serenster · 27/09/2024 16:20

She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office.

Goodness, aren’t there some similar themes emerging when you consider the “Five Friends” People article, The recent US weekly article and this section in Spare (drafted all by Harry in his own words I’m sure…because we Brits talk about “ice cream socials” all the time…). He failed to mention her incredible penmanship in her handwritten thank you letters, though, I note.

A couple of other points - I am fairly sure that the Palace has a Facilities team that could attend to the lighting and central heating - why on earth would Meghan buy them with her personal credit card rather than calling the appropriate department? She was super-keen to talk to Palace HR about her own needs.

Finally given the Nolan Public sector rules on not accepting gifts applies to the Royal family, Meghan involving her staff in her rule breaches is really not cool.

Serenster · 27/09/2024 16:22

Also Harry clearly heard Meghan say several bad words about her father and that side of her family generally, since he had never met them himself, and yet was urging Jason Knauff to tell Omid Scobie how bad they were.

Onlyonekenobe · 27/09/2024 16:23

OMG that extract is just awful. He is/was deluded, and she knew exactly what she was doing.

such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up

This is at the heart of everything and everything flows from it. No, they did not need clearing up and the entire palace machine will have been telling him that, telling him why, trying to protect both of them from going down that road, trying to ensure their paid employees weren't made to do something that they knew with decades of experience was absolutely the wrong thing to do.....but Meghan said she wanted them cleared up and according to Harry, what Meghan wants Meghan gets. In writing this what he's really doing is showing how ignorant he is/was of what the grown ups were doing, and how pathetically he was lead by the dick by Meghan. What. A. Fool.

This is exactly like when a new parvenu intern shows up in the office and starts throwing her weight around, and everyone has to suck it up because she's sleeping with the boss. Exactly like that. He's in thrall to her, everyone knows he's being lead by his dick, but he's the boss and what can you do. Meanwhile, she's getting off on the power trip. Exactly this happened in the law firm I worked in 20-odd years ago, young trainee who started sleeping with a divorcing partner. I won't go into detail because a terrible thing happened to one of the secretaries and there are children involved, but in her case she went on to do it again with a second partner (and that time he was still married). The first man, probably in his 70s know, is still working to pay alimony (equivalent in the UK) when all his peers retired 10 or more years ago. She too was absolutely beautiful (gorgeous, truly!), charming, extremely clever. She used to sit on people's desks for a chat having brought them up a coffee without being asked - it was her way to ensure she wasn't seen as a witch, to defend against "how can anyone think badly of me when they can see with their own eyes how lovely I am". Every single woman saw through her. Those who weren't bothered by her found it amusing; some were jealous and resentful; some just ignored her. The men either didn't notice or just smiled wistfully (probably hoping that one day they too would be partners who could snag a woman like her 20 years younger than them). I haven't thought of her for years, but now that I am it's exactly the same.

IcedPurple · 27/09/2024 16:28

Triplesec · 27/09/2024 15:55

Ch. 52, Spare.

”Our staff sensed the friction, read the press, and thus there was frequent bickering around the office. Sides were taken. Team Cambridge versus Team Sussex. Rivalry, jealousy, competing agendas – it all poisoned the atmosphere. It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources. At best we were able to address 10 per cent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times, and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told. The great irony, I told him, was that the real villains were the people he’d imported into the office, people from government, who didn’t seem impervious to this kind of strife – but addicted to it. They had a knack for backstabbing, a talent for intrigue, and they were constantly setting our two groups of staff against each other. Meanwhile, in the midst of all this, Meg managed to remain calm. Despite what certain people were saying about her, I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. On the contrary, I watched her redouble her efforts to reach out, to spread kindness. She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office. I stood back in awe at her ability, or determination, to always see the good in people. The size of her heart was really brought home for me one day. I learned that Mr R, my former upstairs neighbour when I was in the badger sett, had suffered a tragedy. His adult son had died. Meg didn’t know Mr R. Neither did she know the son. But she knew the family had been my neighbours, and she’d often seen them walking their dogs. So she felt tremendous sorrow for them, and wrote the father a letter, expressing condolences, telling him she wanted to give him a hug but didn’t know if it would be appropriate. With the letter she included a gardenia, to plant in the son’s memory. A week later Mr R appeared at our front door at Nott Cott. He handed Meg a thank-you note and gave her a tight hug. I felt so proud of her, so regretful about my feud with Mr R. More, I felt regretful about my family feuding with my wife.”

I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing with this cut and paste, but it paints both Harry and Meghan in a terrible light. They both seem like very selfish, unpleasant and manipulative individuals.

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 16:37

@Triplesec To misquote Mandy Rice- Davies "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

The whole Lady Bountiful spreading of largesse does not show her in the light you think it does, anyway. If substantial numbers of your staff appear to be teetering on the verge of breakdowns (for whatever reason) the reasons need to be addressed, and this is not done by holding a ruddy "ice cream social" or a tea party.

IcedPurple · 27/09/2024 16:40

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 16:37

@Triplesec To misquote Mandy Rice- Davies "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

The whole Lady Bountiful spreading of largesse does not show her in the light you think it does, anyway. If substantial numbers of your staff appear to be teetering on the verge of breakdowns (for whatever reason) the reasons need to be addressed, and this is not done by holding a ruddy "ice cream social" or a tea party.

Meghan should not have been accepting 'freebies' in the first place. Dumping the ones she didn't want on her 'staff' is not some great generosity, it's a power play intended to put the receiver in debt to her. Same with pizza parties or ice cream socials or whatever the hell they were. It's manipulative, controlling behaviour. Professionals don't want cast off Charlotte Tilbury lipsticks. They want to be treated with respect.

Many of us have had employers like this and know it very well when we see it.

Serenster · 27/09/2024 17:07

IcedPurple · 27/09/2024 16:28

I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing with this cut and paste, but it paints both Harry and Meghan in a terrible light. They both seem like very selfish, unpleasant and manipulative individuals.

I think the poster is making t same mistake that Meghan/her advisers have made in the US Weekly riposte to The Hollywood Reporter.

Normal and abnormal behaviour of an employer, all couched in the most hagiographic terms, cuts no ice with people who actually know what an appropriate employer/employee relationship looks like, or who have firsthand experience of bosses who have used these tactics too and still been utterly toxic to their staff.

MummyJ12 · 27/09/2024 17:10

IcedPurple · 27/09/2024 16:40

Meghan should not have been accepting 'freebies' in the first place. Dumping the ones she didn't want on her 'staff' is not some great generosity, it's a power play intended to put the receiver in debt to her. Same with pizza parties or ice cream socials or whatever the hell they were. It's manipulative, controlling behaviour. Professionals don't want cast off Charlotte Tilbury lipsticks. They want to be treated with respect.

Many of us have had employers like this and know it very well when we see it.

Edited

I was about to post the same thing about the freebies.
I have also heard that she hired that ice cream van and yet didn’t allow anyone who was working for William and Kate to use it. It was for Team Sussex only. So much for kindness! That sounded so petty and spiteful to me.

myrtleWilson · 27/09/2024 17:12

Weren’t the “ice cream socials” including the ice cream van coming to the office, rigorously policed to ensure none of the DDoC staff got so much as a lick of a 99…

Serenster · 27/09/2024 17:23

I have just realised that in my head the “ice cream social” was a small refrigerated cart from a luxury micro ice cream producer, manned by someone in a jaunty striped outfit. But maybe it was a big yellow van with knock-off Disney characters painted on it, serving Flake 99s, I kind of hope it was! 🤣

MummyJ12 · 27/09/2024 17:28

Oh I really hope so too@Serenster 😂 with the luminous strawberry sauce!

Alectoishome · 27/09/2024 17:29

Serenster · 27/09/2024 17:23

I have just realised that in my head the “ice cream social” was a small refrigerated cart from a luxury micro ice cream producer, manned by someone in a jaunty striped outfit. But maybe it was a big yellow van with knock-off Disney characters painted on it, serving Flake 99s, I kind of hope it was! 🤣

With sheet of A4 blu tacked to it and 'Sorry, Team Sussex Only' written on it in beautiful penmanship.

BreadInCaptivity · 27/09/2024 18:01

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 16:37

@Triplesec To misquote Mandy Rice- Davies "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

The whole Lady Bountiful spreading of largesse does not show her in the light you think it does, anyway. If substantial numbers of your staff appear to be teetering on the verge of breakdowns (for whatever reason) the reasons need to be addressed, and this is not done by holding a ruddy "ice cream social" or a tea party.

Exactly.

A good manager would note the poor working conditions and escalate that to ensure employees were working in an environment with appropriate heat and lighting - and follow through to ensure action was taken without any fanfare.

Not whipping out a personal credit card to buy ice cream, space heaters and lamps.

This Lady Bountiful approach is grossly unprofessional as it fails to address any underlying issues whilst simultaneously seeking to make employees beholden to you for your largesse.

You don't win respect as a boss by making people feel they owe you. You gain respect by being a person who is great at facilitating them to do their jobs effectively.

Uricon2 · 27/09/2024 18:05

Interesting though that the deprived Cambridge staff, with nary so much as a lick of a Cornetto thrown their way, noses pressed to the window of the Sussexes ice cream social, weren't the ones accusing their bosses of bullying? It would take an immense amount of 99s to replace a respectful working environment for most of us, I imagine.

I'd give a lot to know what the late Queen and Prince Philip thought of this carry on (I imagine she knew Everything that was occuring in the palaces, at all times)

JSMill · 27/09/2024 18:12

Triplesec · 27/09/2024 15:55

Ch. 52, Spare.

”Our staff sensed the friction, read the press, and thus there was frequent bickering around the office. Sides were taken. Team Cambridge versus Team Sussex. Rivalry, jealousy, competing agendas – it all poisoned the atmosphere. It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources. At best we were able to address 10 per cent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times, and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told. The great irony, I told him, was that the real villains were the people he’d imported into the office, people from government, who didn’t seem impervious to this kind of strife – but addicted to it. They had a knack for backstabbing, a talent for intrigue, and they were constantly setting our two groups of staff against each other. Meanwhile, in the midst of all this, Meg managed to remain calm. Despite what certain people were saying about her, I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. On the contrary, I watched her redouble her efforts to reach out, to spread kindness. She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office. I stood back in awe at her ability, or determination, to always see the good in people. The size of her heart was really brought home for me one day. I learned that Mr R, my former upstairs neighbour when I was in the badger sett, had suffered a tragedy. His adult son had died. Meg didn’t know Mr R. Neither did she know the son. But she knew the family had been my neighbours, and she’d often seen them walking their dogs. So she felt tremendous sorrow for them, and wrote the father a letter, expressing condolences, telling him she wanted to give him a hug but didn’t know if it would be appropriate. With the letter she included a gardenia, to plant in the son’s memory. A week later Mr R appeared at our front door at Nott Cott. He handed Meg a thank-you note and gave her a tight hug. I felt so proud of her, so regretful about my feud with Mr R. More, I felt regretful about my family feuding with my wife.”

The most telling phrase in this extract is that staff couldn't take 'constructive criticism'. Hmm
It's also interesting that W blamed M for the atmosphere in the office and H was angry that he had swallowed the media narrative. H had admitted in previous sentences that there was indeed a terrible atmosphere. H is so thick he hadn't realised what he had just admitted to and the ghost writer didn't point it out.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2024 18:16

It's just so disingenuous. How can he expect anyone to believe that he's never heard her say one bad word about anyone?

Sounds to me like his memory "curating" things again, @Alectoishome, the truth being whatever he wants it to be at any given time

Clearly this claim isn't true either, and then some wonder why folk say he simply has no credibility any more Hmm

adriftinadenofvipers · 27/09/2024 18:21

Sunsetand · 27/09/2024 01:56

Whatever people need to tell themselves to feel okay about getting their laughs, and false sense of community, from tearing apart a woman for years on end, right?

Whether Meghan Markle reads it or not, is not the point.

As was pointed out by some on here when many posters were ripping into Catherine and William earlier in the year with all sorts of accusations. Catherine wouldn’t have been reading it would she?

One rule for one woman, another rule for the other.

There is NO comparison between a discussion of information in the public domain, and the vile lies that were spewed about the Princess of Wales. NONE!

BreadInCaptivity · 27/09/2024 18:21

Apologies for being somewhat salacious but goodness knows I'd bloody love for William to "clapback" Spare by replicating every chapter from his perspective in "Heir". 😂

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