Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

I can imagine that total loyalty to QE2 would be annoying at times to Charles, but also respected and valued. It is probably quite rare that people will tell him things he doesn't want to hear, but as unpleasant as it is, it is necessary.

Indeed.

Sometimes when you put all your efforts into circling your wagons and calling in reinforcements you forget to look at the landscape and belatedly realise your "defensive" position is triangulated by a cliff face, a mountain, the "enemy" you've spent years antagonising.

Haha!!

Idle speculation- So Harry has just got his hands on his great grandmother’s inheritance, so he can afford to do things like pay off the mortgage/ pay some more legal fees.
Uk papers are full of stories suggesting he wants to come back. Even bryony Gordon doesn’t mention Meghan and how great she is.
The source for the Hollywood Reporter could well be the palace. They have the report into bullying and can therefore back up any claims as fact (if such claims exist).
harry’s misery at the hands of this bully could be the key to his open armed welcome by the British public - this is exactly the kind of tactic Harry claims was used against him and Meghan previously. Maybe that’s how the palace does it?
he got the birthday shout out - let’s see if there’s more sympathy in his direction.

the issue in all this is the kids - if that’s the line they’re going to play, it’s infeasible that the children remain with her.

There’s no way in hell Meghan would let Harry have custody. He couldn’t manage without a load of staff and it wouldn’t be good for the children not to have their mother as primary carer. They’re American kids anyway.

HR quoted 12 sources. All employees (past and one at least current and senior).

That rules out The Palace.

HR also went on record as saying that past explanations from H&M re: bullying were Palace leaks "probably was not true".

My own interpretation is that The Palace know "the truth" (and have for some time) but are letting this play out.

Sometimes the smart move is to communicate nothing and rely on people to consistently demonstrate themselves who they are precisely because they feel they have repeatedly got away with it.

Good PR is as much about what you don't do/respond to as the actions you take.

Giving space for the public to come to their own conclusions is arguably demonstrably more powerful than trying to hand out a false narrative.

As PP above have said, her reputation and online presence was scrubbed clean prior to the relationship going public. If people’s speculation is close to true, she may be backed into the corner of giving Harry primary residence. It may not even be about her - it could be Doria.

Can't see the Palace as the source of the story, but I can imagine them communicating, to any parties involved that they have a relationship with, that they now don't object to others coming forward telling their story.

Wouldn't they have played that card already, if they had it?

What issues did he have with her?

Genuine question: I've just been googling and didn't find anything about that (possibly not using the right search terms?)

Yes, he didn't keep her on - but of course Queen Camilla would have her own household already established, and with the death of ER II there would be no role. She was given a house (hers for life) as part of her exit terms, which is pretty good as part of a redundancy package. And after 30 years service, I'd expect there's a good (public sector) pension too.

KC got a fair amount of bad press about some actions after his accession (such as waiting until Edward's birthday before creating him Duke of Edinburgh) and there was lots of chuntering. And I was wondering if this was just another part of that chuntering, rather than anything amiss. She'd been such a fixture in ER II's life for so long that I'd have thought the others (RF, courtiers, more junior staff) would have just seen her as part of the landscape, and a reliable, trustworthy part to boot.

I don't think the late QMs £8 million would do more than cover the 24/7 multi person security detail for a very few years, maybe 3 or so. The best private agents are not going to come cheap.

Billionaire tastes, millionaire funds.

I’ve seen this allegation a few ties but always raised an eyebrow (or two) at it. Yes, absolutely her wikipedia page was edited right before the relationship went public to emphasise her philanthropic work over her days as a Suitcase girl on Deal or No Deal, but that’s small beans really. Like tweaking your CV to highlight the most relevant skills before applying for a job! (It’s another reason though why I’ve always wondered if she was behind the exclusive scoop of their relationship).

Anything more than that is just pure speculation, though isn’t it? Bearing in mind there’s already speculation out there that she may have been seeing other celebrities in her circle people before she ended both her marriage and her subsequent long term relationship - which wouldn’t make her person of the year, but also isn’t exactly uncommon. But anything more than that? It just seems unlikely to me - she was moving in some fairly posh circles in Toronto, who must have been wary about friendships.

It's a bit like Queen Vic's Munshi I think. I'm sure it would have been John Brown if he'd been alive at that point but Edward VII had to confine himself to sending the Munshi back to India (with a payoff) and taking down all reminders of JB he could find. Long serving staff members who knew too much and were perhaps perceived as being too close to the monarch. Probably very unfair.

I don't know, doubt Angela Kelly is perfect but there was certainly a very important relationship with the late Queen and I don't think she'd do anything that would have upset her.

You're very welcome, @MummyJ12, but there's actually no need for thanks - it was just an idea I thought worth sharing and something I've found very informative myself

And as you say one snapshot means less than nothing, but the accumulated evidence from many of them creates a definite impression, especially if that's added to by their own actions and words, video of the same and reputable reporting

I think M is a bully - but there have been a few videos where H is not a barrel of laughs anyway. And, no matter what M has said or done I don’t understand why they seem to be trying to paint H as the poor hanger on. It was Hs own family that he trashed on TV and in books, etc. No one forced H to dis his own family. That takes a special kind of mean

"Then the remarks that William didn't marry Catherine for love"

partly I believe this to be true. In the way that William could not afford to marry only for love and needed his wife to be able to cope with all the demands that would be put upon her, produce several heirs, be a figurehead for a country and commonwealth and an extremely influential player on the world stage.
when your marriage involves all those above factors you can't afford to marry for love alone.
they may not share the worlds most "knocked off my feet" romantic love but clearly they have great respect for each other, are happy and relaxed in each others company and make a good team.

the modern world dismisses the value of a strong marital partnership that is based on more than romantic love. This is a mistake in my opinion. Look where it's got Hazza.

Yes, he didn't keep her on - but of course Queen Camilla would have her own household already established, and with the death of ER II there would be no role.

And AK was nearly 65 when the Queen died. Quite likely she was ready to retire, once the Queen had gone.

That will be why his bodyguard is said to be his bestie…he’s trying to get mates rates

I agree. The Markle siblings would have squealed at any opportunity - they certainly aren't bound by any NDAs.

I agree - but he is a loose cannon that is blood who will always be associated with the RF and consequentially impact their reputation internationally both as an institution as a family going forward. He has already had negative impact even if it has recovered recently.

MM will potentially fade into the distance over time if they divorced - eg who can remember Annes ex or her sons ex? Even if she does continue to cause mischief she can easily be cast as the disgruntled ex with an axe to grind - a bit like how she characterises the voices of her ex-employees.

I’m surprised they are quiet and not currently squealing bearing in mind the current allegations.

The Queen's explicit wish was that Camilla would be Queen.

Where is said "worship" of the King? It's your Labour government that are taking away the winter fuel allowance not the King.

"Hatred" is a nonsense. Analysing their behaviour is not hatred.

Maybe there's somewhere else that would suit you better then? Somewhere with the right level of ignorance for you?

What "bullying"? You're the rude and aggressive one?

I haven't, no.

I strongly suspect the vault's existence thanks to the known to exist sealed Philip/Andrew papers and the dearth of searchable detail about Rachel's early activities leads me to conclude said deep clean happened.

Appreciate the sleuths tireless efforts though. I wish their job was easier.