Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

No, as said earlier I think he’s worse. Much worse. This isn’t just he knew and turned a blind eye. He knew and deliberately lied and accused his family of mounting a smear campaign, and lying about her.

thats worse. Don’t get me wrong, we know they are both dishonest people, but thats his own family he lied about.

It's not 'She must have been absolutely vile', it's that she IS absolutely vile! He lives with her 24/7 (or maybe he doesn't - there are plenty of rumours about that). But he knows full well what she is and he has so far chosen to stay with her and enable her behaviour. If I feel sorry for him at all, it's that he's in a toxic relationship with a narcissist who has very successfully isolated him far away from his country, his entire family and almost all his old friends.

Yes they’ve not quite made the link. That the new claims from staff prove Harry lied about his family. Namely William. They will get there though. As the interview with the Hollywood reporter editor spells it out, the allegations harry made against his family are not true based on their investigations.

and remember when he said 12 staff, past and present. We don’t know if any of those 12 are from the palace. I think the fact he stated the palace accusations weren’t true would say they have done their job properly and they’ve spoken to palace staff who were bullied.

It will be very interesting to see what happens next with this saga.

Will they try and brush it off and carry on, nothing to see here? If so I'd expect there to be some reports and maybe even some pictures from Harry's 40th celebrations. Be very interesting to see which friends he's rustled up to attend that - I'd be very surprised if it's any of his true friends from the past. I'd imagine Nacho and some of the other Hollywood acquaintances are most likely.

The atmosphere at home must be absolutely terrible though. She must be livid, he probably will too. The staff must be getting some kind of interrogation to try and find out who's spoken to the press.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of performative puff piece in the next few days with Meghan sending a muffin basket to staff or something just to show how kind and considerate she is, and some member of current staff forced to go on record to talk about what an amazing and inspirational boss she is.

I do think Harry is just as culpable. He may not be as directly nasty as a bully, but in his own words in Spare we've seen that he's been resentful, mean spirited and bitter since a very young age. Lots of well publicised nastiness and racism too, from calling a pub landlord a "f*ing frog" to the racist slurs he used against his compatriots in the army. I think he was always a nasty piece of work but for the most part prior to meeting Meghan it was well covered up and he was given good role models for how to behave by his brother, father, aunts and uncles (barring one!) and grandmother.

I do think however that MM has brought out the worst in him. She's clearly a stone cold social climber who uses people and discards them when they're no longer helpful to her. She's absolutely tapped into Harry's worst insecurities and that's why she encourages the Diana 2.0 narrative - it controls him.

She might be the more overt bully, but he is equally as responsible by enabling and defending her behaviour. His attitude towards the little people comes across in Spare - he simply doesn't care.

They're both utterly awful.

Has anyone else noticed online that the Sussex Squad are rebranding themselves? They’re calling themselves Global Sussex Supporters now! Hilarious 😂.

These photos are quite telling. Meghan looks to be tearing a strip off of her staff, does she enjoy having power over people?

Can tell precisely nothing from those photos don’t be daft

They are very telling as you say. It portrays visually what’s been said.

She looks like she’s being vile to me.

Thanks @Sparklywhiteteeth x

I’ve said before and will say again if the sexes were reversed this would be seen as at the least emotional abuse and coercive behaviour.

Do you maybe have struggles with recognising body language and looks, visual clues. The pictures are indeed very telling. It would be unusual not to be able to see that, unless you maybe struggle with visual recognition?

What are the chances of that someone who bullies their staff to tears when they do something wrong will tolerate faults in their own children ?

She is definitely on a power trip
Most normal people would check themselves after the previous bullying allegations, but no
she doubles down and gaslights her victims

Meghan Markle if it hasn’t sunk in yet
You are the problem
(do something about it )

I vaguely remember this photo at the time and it being discussed on MN. It was a few years ago now. If I’m correct, Meghan is talking to someone the other side of the woman, ie behind the man. Idk if she is also talking to the woman. Did you see a copy of the video @MummyJ12 ? I seem to remember there was one…

No @Mummyoflittledragon I haven’t seen the video. That’s interesting. It’s was only a matter of time before further details of her bullying behaviour surfaced. It looks like the dam is about to burst if it hasn’t already.

It seems to me that, even if there was a video showing Meghan abusing kittens that came out, some posters would justify it and make out that there was nothing to see. I hate how they minimise her abhorrent behaviour. They are so blind in their adoration. Either that or they can’t admit that their idol is a monster because it means they have been wrong about her all along.

'Abrasive and brash'?

You seem to be minimising relentless and repetitive bullying of people less powerful than she is.

More like the Autumn of Anguish.

I'm currently reading Revenge and up to the Reitman campaign. While allowing for the fact that Tom Bower really, clearly is far from in love with his subject, there is already an emerging pattern of use and discard in evidence, if even a fraction of it is true.

Harry in all this? I think the term 'enabler' is right. Enablers are dangerous and often walk away relatively scot free, the "nice guy/girl" who didn't actually do anything wrong but were so in love they couldn't/didn't/wouldn't stop the actions of the abuser. I had an enabler parent. I loved him, but with the benefit of hindsight see exactly how he contributed to what me and sibs went through. OK, this isn't about their children, but the status and privilege Harry has comes with responsibilities and being Mr Charming while his wife excoriates employees shows great weakness of character.

This is of course aside from his own betrayals of his family.

This was a while back, maybe around the time they left the UK as I didn’t take an interest until then. Maybe someone will remember it. I’m never going to find the thread etc to verify… it was filmed from quite a distance so no sound captured.

I’m mixed.

Is he an enabler and has not stepped in to protect staff, absolutely. Will he get away with it, probably. Portia never got heat from enabling Ellen.

But I feel sorry for him in the sense that his existence has become pitiful. Can you imagine what a crap celebration it will be today? There will be an atmosphere at best, chaos at worst. With the exception of his kids, he has no one around him he can trust and he knows it.

But it’s all his decisions that have lead to now, to a shitty 40th dealing with the fallout of his wife’s bullying behaviour. karmas a bitch

I wonder whether the poster who said that it's perfectly possible that Meghan came across as abrasive and brash is also prepared to admit it’s also possible that she was abusive and brash, rather than just coming across that way?

Meghan is sneaky. When you look at it all she has hidden behind Harry, she has stuck her hand up his arse ( or somewhere) and worked him. She simpered on the OW interview with her teary eye and quivering mouth but insinuated. Harry told me! Harry is the big fool who has gone over the parapet big time. He is the one who will be blamed while she steps back and says " who me? I didn't say anything . It was Harry" . She has played him like the big fool that he is.

I don't feel sorry for them, it's more pity. Surely this must be a massive wake up call for them.

Yes but portia didn’ t knowingly, dishonestly and publicly accuse her family of making it all up, to cover it up for Ellen. I’m fairly sure if she did, she’d have got heat. Portia just looked the other way, and as she’s not with Ellen at work, it’s arguable how much she even knew, Harry is with Megan at work, they even share a desk. Harry knew it all. And still he lied.

I agree though it is crap, he’s went from one of the most popular royals, to isolated, derided, and a failure, over in the states, but he did it to himself. He made his decisions, and he’s guilty of some terrible terrible behaviour himself.

Already started when we’ve had press saying she wishes he would would let go of the court cases and how when spare came out, she wouldn’t have revealed so much but supports him

She throws him under a bus over his deluded attempts of being a knight in shiny armour