Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

Regardless of public perception (which I think the RF do need to be aware of and consider), surely no one would trust him? Charles is weak so I'm sure he would, but not whilst he is with MM.

My impression from the interviews where Harry said he would be willing to accept an apology from his family (😂) is that he genuinely believed a) they should apologise, and b) that the best way to achieve that was talking extensively to the media (rather than directly and privately to the people concerned).

There's always one cousin in the family - or colleague in the office - that holds a grievance and spends a lot of time and energy complaining to anyone who will listen, but won't address it with the person they are annoyed with 😂😭😂 it's almost as if they would rather have the drama than resolve the issue and move on!

i call bullshit

he is probably just talking to old friends and as usual misconstrued, intentionally

Too late. He's burned his bridges with his tale telling and horrible accusations of racist. Which if true why would he want to come back for more of the same. Things haven't gone his way he misses being a proper royal. An article called them the pound shop royals. Ouch!

I could just about tolerate a very very part time Harry, through gritted teeth, but Meghan? Absolutely no chance.

'Charles is weak' - maybe. I don't see any evidence one way or the other.

Maybe as a father - and a Christian - he is trying to work out a way forward with his son that is loving and forgiving, but also protects other members of the family who.have been very hurt by Harry's words and actions. It's a lot to balance up.

On top of, y'know, treatment for cancer and doing the monarching.

I think that's not strictly correct from what I've read. Royals do leave money to relatives so there is a good chance Harry will inherit something when he's 40.

I think the story may have appeared on the Express website first.

I wonder if this is less about trying to take up royal work again and more about trying to rehabilitate his image? I suspect he misses the days when he was very popular.

Staying from the point that the rumour is true, and may well not be, all it does is show that Harry still hasn't grasped the difference between Monarch and family member. At the very beginning it was obvious he thought his loving Grandmother would agree with what he wanted and was surprised when HM the Queen made the decisions instead.

I am sure that Charles, as a loving father, would welcome the chance to reconcile and see his grandchildren. I am equally sure that HM the King would be very hesitant about giving Harry a royal role, unless it was on the same terms as before. You cannot be half in and half out and I see no sign that Charles would agree with it anymore thank the late Queen did.

Even the fact that he has leaked this indicates that he believes the choice is his when it really isn't. He has no power over decisions made by the monarchy. He is still the entitled child assuming he only had to want something for it to be given to him. No indication that he will take accountability for the awful things he has said about his family, no apology forthcoming. He seems to believe they would be lucky to have him back and should be grateful.

But it's probably just a rumour for clickbait, so I didn't click on the link!

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I think Charles will always want him to return to the family fold in some capacity - at the end of the day, it's his kid.

William, on the other hand, is another story! I don't think William will ever, ever forgive Harry for trashing the family to Oprah and in Spare - and especially for turning his back on Kate who had been so kind to him.

Agree 
Once the last  parent has gone , siblings loose that last connection, and things change.

@MrsLeonFarrell You said: I am equally sure that HM the King would be very hesitant about giving Harry a royal role, unless it was on the same terms as before.

It's too late to go back to 'the same terms as before'. Harry has now cashed in and he can't undo that.

In what way is this middle aged man vulnerable ? Why is he deeply hurt ? Is he still traumatised and hurt that William had a bigger bedroom and extra sausage ?

It’s the old half in half out they’ve always wanted. It clearly says Harry doesn’t wish to return permanently. They’ve failed so badly and know that’s where the money is, in the royal connections. And Harry has to get back in whilst Charles is alive.

He is supposed to be receiving about 20 million in the final part of his settlement from the Queen Mother.

This is all a crock of shite probably fuelled by themselves. It's the equivalent of the DM saying that he is " showing his ex what they are missing" except the ex is not missing.

I think Harry has to be seen as a not too bright child in a man’s body. That’s really what he is and I suspect his family have known that for a long time.

By the same terms I was thinking, no merching, following family hierarchy when deciding charity patronage, all the things he complained about in Spare basically. What he can't do is half in half out, which he seems to be so pushing for. I find it incredible he is still refusing to accept a no.

He is certainly unable to accept being told no.

Is this what the H&M tours have been about - so they can show the RF that they can be some kind of roving ambassadors for them and do the half in/out thing they wanted before making a pitch to return to the fold?

If so, given that the tours generated a lot of justified criticism, I hope the RF continue to hold them kindly at arms length.

Funnily enough I happened to come across an article the other day about Heck sausages and the one they brought out to celebrate the Sussex wedding 😂😂😂 Did they know something we didn't at the time? 😂

From what I have read it is approximately £7million . Still a sizeable amount but given that their security bill alone is said to be $4million per year , it won’t last long .
The Queen Mother left a sizeable trust fund for her GGC and Harry receives more than William ( wonder if William will write a book about how unfair that is?) but remember there are other GGC .

This is interesting and I suspect true, as there are many different sources who were quoted (anonymously) in this article. Old friends, but also people who worked with Harry when he was a royal.

I bet it really upsets him that he really has no role now he's living in the US, that he's gone from being one of the most popular British royals to being the third least popular above Meghan and Andrew, and that he almost certainly feels like a fish out of water in the LA bubble of insincerity and nonsense.

LA is a weird place (even for a lot of Americans!) and the way people interact is VERY different to how British people interact. There is a lot of fakery and ego massaging and 'Oh I LOVE your dress', said in a way that you just know that they DON'T love your dress - and as an upper class Brit I bet Harry really struggles with it all.

So does he want to be able to come and go from the UK in peace, does he want to have some kind of role again, does he want to catch up with old friends and have a laugh and a joke and feel like he fits in and people aren't being fake and blowing smoke up his arse because of who he is? I'd put money on it.

Plus, I suspect the death of the Queen and Charles' cancer diagnosis has been a cold, hard wake-up call to Harry. He and William are totally estranged, but Charles is open to having a relationship with Harry again. Charles is a religious man, a quiet and thoughtful man, and Harry is his son. If Harry wants to make amends he'd better bloody well get on with it. His dad is 75 and unwell - tick tock.

It's been said that Charles's views are those of the last person he spoke to, and his approach to "spiritual advice" can be dubious (Laurens van der Post? Peter Ball?), but surely any idea of forgiveness has to include the issue that Harry's shown what he's capable of and that there's every chance he'd do it again if things didn't quite suit?

I've not read the Mail piece and suspect it's all "sources" for clickbait, but I suppose it's just possible someone's flying a flag to gauge how a return would be viewed publicly

What nobody's addressed though is how this would work for Meghan and the children. I don't see her ever living in the UK again, so while it's not something I like to dwell on surely Harry moving back would mean a separation?

The monarch leaves all their estate to the next monarch to avoid inheritance tax - the Sovereign Estate is deemed to be exempt if left to the next in line to the throne as it’s viewed as being a custodian of the state rather than private wealth.

So, Charles inherited the whole shebang from his mother. Presumably William will inherit the whole lot from Charles.

However, QEII’s mother (the Queen Mother) was not a monarch, and her estate would have been subject to different rules. She did leave money in trust to her grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and gifts to others too. So it’s not improbable there’s money to come to Harry on a milestone birthday.

I don’t think it means that Harry would live in the UK. Just come and go as he pleases like they originally wanted. Meghan clearly does not want to come back at all, so if any of this is true ( and it does say partial return) it looks like an attempt to try again with the half in half out thing. Or more accurately a quarter in and A quarter out as it is just Harry returning. I think they have realised that their only source of income is their association with the Royals. Well, duh! 😂

I genuinely feel sorry for him. I think he’s a majorly fucked up individual, and his traumatic childhood experiences, including but not limited to his mother’s sudden and traumatic death, with an unhappy mother and a fucked up family situation and position is what has led to the way he is. He is surrounded by people looking to profit from his situation, rather than people with his best interests at heart. And probably always has been.

Women on here raising kids in far less damaging situations than Harry grew up in get their arses handed to them on a plate if they don’t immediately LTB as they are damaging their children by staying. They are told having an unhappy mother damaged their kids too.

Yet Harry was brought up in a uniquely fucked up situation, suffered the sudden death of his mother in very traumatic circumstances and yet he gets a roasting for how he turned out. He’s a person full of adverse childhood experiences.

I’m not even remotely surprised he turned out like he did.

I think we should end the RF as it not fair to raise children in a dynamic like that.