Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

No, that won't happen.

Nor is he going to get on demand taxpayer funded security, if that's what he's thinking.

He chose to flounce off in a fit of dudgeon, barely even bothering to give his family advance notice. Choices have consequences.

And while I'm somewhat sceptical about the veracity of this story, I really don't think Harry is equipped to deal with his new life at all, so I wouldn't be surprised if he were looking for a way back in. It's not going to happen though.

I’m assuming the wheels are coming off the marriage. He’s been very foolish. He is now looking ridiculous. What a stunt to pull to treat your family the way he has to appease a chancer

There’ll have to be a third person in the marriage between Harry and his fam. In the room. Always.

Or H will sell the racist royal abuse Meghan wrote later in her creative writing wellness class.

He gets all the benefits of this situation, though, as does his son.

You could just as easily argue that the second son gets all the benefits, all that money and privilege and very little responsibility.

Harry, like all the 'spares fucked up by the Royal system only ever faced a life of becoming more and more irrelevant, scrabbling around for a role, relying on his dad, brother and possibly nephew for handouts.

Well he had a choice of either being a working royal and supporting the family, or getting a job and supporting himself. Which he has tried to do.

Before anyone mentions Princess Anne, she was from a young age so far down the line of succession she knew she would have to make her own way. She had no choice but to jot have titles for her children because she was a woman.

When Anne was born she was second in line, then third and fourth when her younger brothers were born. She stayed 4th in line until William was born when she was 31. So not particularly far down and not a particularly young age. The queen offered her titles for her children (via giving Mark Phillips a title) and they declined.

Also, Harry was only one among many great grandchildren. She had about 10 during her lifetime I believe. Why would Harry have been so special? As the future King's son he was always going to be very well provided for. What about Peter? Or Zara? Or Arthur? Or Eugenie? She wasn't rich enough in her own right to be leaving vast sums to all of them.

4th in line in this day and age with 3 brothers is far down enough to realise it's highly unlikely upu would have to step up. It's not medieval times. The Royals are far less likely to lose 3 sons than the rest of us, and even for us it's unlikely.
I agree he had all the benefits and could have stayed a working Royal, but he is spoilt and didn't grasp the fact that to get all the benefits he needed to put up and shut up. But that is the only way I believe he is an outlier in his family. Their lives are not onerous. The Head of State is the only one with even minimal levels of responsibility, yet they have people fawning over them and how amazing and hardworking they are. The rest of his family know what they have to do to cling onto their pretty cushy and easy lives, he doesn't. That's it really.

I really can’t believe that this is true. Harry has made it abundantly clear what he think of his family and why should they trust him enough to let him back in?

Yes, he wanted a 50/50 split and probably would be happy to continue doing the fun or glitzy royal roles with the 24/7 security protection and status he had but that’s not on offer. Whilst he and his wife have some supporters, they are unpopular with the majority. His wife and children spend their time in America, so he doesn’t have any glamour or family appeal to him, and after listening to him talk about rubbing cream on his penis, nobody is going to take his voice seriously for anything.

Harry doesn’t have anything to offer the royal family and if they haven’t needed support this year, when two fundamental senior members have been out of the public eye, they never will.

Harry is much like Andrew, someone the rest of the family aren’t associating with. The only difference is that behind closed doors Andrew is probably still one of them whilst Harry isn’t.

The likelihood of Charles living beyond the next 10-15 years is low but even if he does want to make amends with him, his priority has to be to safely pass the crown to William. Why would William be so forgiving? If anything happens to William, George isn’t far off being an adult and it’s overwhelmingly likely that he will stand by his mum rather than welcome back the man or couple who caused her so much heartache especially when she was going through a period of ill health.

Assuming Charles lives another 15 years, William’s children will be adults. If they become working royals, the media focus will be all about the new king and queen, the new Prince of Wales and probably the new Princess Royal as well as Prince Louis. Harry and Meghan at almost 60 and their unknown children won’t be of interest.

No matter how you look at it, Harry needs to find another sustainable way to live his life and make money. What’s pretty certain is that the way won’t be within the RF. The chances keep dwindling but he and Meghan have had so many opportunities that are unavailable and unattainable for most and they really need to take one and make it happen.

Perhaps William and some of the family may forgive one day, though I doubt it. I certainly couldn't.

How could you ever trust Harry again.

I think some sort of return could be possible for Harry in time, if he kept his head down but they could never fully trust him again, he'd never be inner circle, too much has happened. Meghan would never be welcome and he'd need to divorce her before any return would ever be considered.

History has shown us that many “spares” actually end up as monarch. George VI, who some people alive today will still remember being king, was a spare and Elizabeth II herself might have been born as heir but was always expected to be a spare until she was 10.

The only spares your comment can relate to are Andrew and Harry. Even Margaret seemed perfectly happy with her status and freedom that being second in line to the throne created.

I'm not sure I get your point.

Harry was never higher than 3rd in line, and it was always known he'd fall further down as soon as William started having children. It was always pretty unlikely he'd ever be king, so it was up to him to plan for a future outside the royal family if this is what he wanted. However, he chose to drop out of the army and on marriage, chose to take a Dukedom and have his wife a working royal. As a 'spare' he had much more freedom than William, and could have done anything he wanted with his life. His lack of skills and work ethic is his own problem.

Even Margaret seemed perfectly happy with her status and freedom that being second in line to the throne created
Margaret the alcoholic who attempted suicide you mean and died before her mother?

I wouldn't assume that. I'm sure Meghan loves her children but I also think she enjoys flitting on to the next thing and would like them to have the 'snob factor' of real connections with the RF. I can imagine an arrangement where they spend part of the year in the UK with Harry working quite well for her. Obviously not wishing a separation on them but in that event I think it's a possibility they would hash something out, with a decent financial settlement and her keeping the title à la Fergie.

Potentially this is all BS. But if it wasn't and your brother and son had slagged you off worldwide, would you take him back and give him more ammo? You'd be insane. At best MN would grey rock him surely?

They have rightly or wrongfully killed both of their parental relationships. Who honestly would trust Harry? Even it was valid he has zero integrity and would sell his own nudes for cash I'd bet if the price was right

I’m sick of the whole damned lot of this inbred bunch!

Plenty of people have unhealthy relationships with alcohol and plenty of people die in their 70s, as Margaret did.

He strikes me as the type who needs some farmland. Trenches to dig, fences to put up, hay to bale. Hard physical labour, jobs and responsibilities that can't wait and don't care about your status, and the fresh air and beauty of the outdoors to take him out of his head. No animals, though.

Just looked it up - Anne was 10 when Andrew was born, so for the majority of her childhood she was second in line (and with no indication that there would be further siblings).

For what it's worth I think the family might be prepared to forgive him in time, but for that to happen I think he would need to let go of all his bitterness, resentment and entitlement, genuinely apologise for his behaviour and work hard to make amends. And I just can't see that happening. Harry wants everything to be on his terms and I don't think he's got the emotional maturity or intellect to self reflect and understand this

This sums up my own view, @elessar, but what I don't get is how Harry could be expected to do any of that when he's got a wife who allegedly nearly died because of the very family/institution he's said to be keen to reconcile with

Add his endless obsession with Diana and what happened to her, tack on Meghan's possible objection to that hated family influencing him, and I'm just not seeing it

Then stop reading the fucking Daily Mail. They make up stories. Wait, no, they lie.

What have the royals done to deserve this?

I'd add, we only know the stuff W's had to put up with that has been made public. That will just be the tip of the iceberg, and I'd bet W has had to absorb/deal with a lot more low-grade stuff over the years. He must be relieved to be shot of that burden (while possibly also grieving the loss of his brother).

Unpopular opinion but I don’t believe H has a cat in hells chance of returning to the RF whilst still married to M.
Too much mud has been slung to forgive them both.

I came to say this. He doesn’t need therapy, he needs activity. He’s obviously spent most of his adult life sitting and thinking how much better his life would be if he was King/not in the royal family. Whilst sitting about doing nothing.
I don’t even get the impression he works with Invictus that much, just turns up to the event. He’s clearly not interested in a desk job shown by leaving the army, I can’t imagine he’s spending hours a day doing work for them.

I think the move to California was absolutely to gain a high profile A lister life that they could rub W&C noses in at being more popular/glamerous. But the invites to the Met or the Oscars never came did they. They’ve never been interested in privacy. It must be hard just now as the one card they have up their sleeves are the children and there’s no way they can present them publicly after making such a fuss.

Since losing the cloak of invisibility that RF provided for so long has just served to expose Harry and Meghan for who they are. Good or bad, it’s their doing. I supported them until he published a book including kill numbers from his tour of duty. Completely irresponsible and risking his colleagues who can’t afford 24/7 security. Awful.