Harry in UK for funeral

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DM is reporting Harry came to the UK for the funeral of his uncle Robert Fellowes. The husband of Diana's sister Lady Jane. Apparently they kept their distance from each other and didn't speak. Looks like William has the Windsor habit of bearing grudges. Don't blame him in this case.

No it's not racist. It's just the truth (albeit unfortunate truths) about a particular neighbourhood. If you take it as a value judgement on Meghan, her mother or any other people who live/lived and work/worked in peace in tough circumstances, then I am afraid you are the bigot.

She's not from there though .!!
Why would the press make out she was if she wasn't?
It's the "rough, aggressive black person" type trope that racists trot out.
That's where the racism kicks in.
Not that some will ever see that though, or keep on pretending they can't and ask for even more proof so I'm aware it's pointless trying to explain.

If you asked me if Britain is a racist country, I might have to regretfully say yes.

When asked why, I would say that I had not seen any specific examples myself (I am white, living in a very non-multicultural area, so that's not unusual) but that I have noticed that national figures held in great affection by the general British public, who do or say something racist, do not experience the expected decline in affections from the general public as a result.

If asked to give examples of this, the examples I would give are Prince Philip and Prince Harry.

So there you have your conundrum.

Try reading it again. It says "almost" out of Compton. Then clarifies that Doria is from up the road in Crenshaw (and by extension, Meghan, since she lived between her parents' homes)- which has it's own problems that are listed in the sub-heading. It's clearly talking about crime etc in Crenshaw.

It's the "rough, aggressive black person" type trope that racists trot out.
That's where the racism kicks in.

In your mind, maybe. In my mind, all I think is, tough neighbourhood, good on you for your success in life despite the conditions you have lived in. Mostly because I relate to that, am proud of where I come from, and don't think the victimhood narrative is healthy. You seem to be implying that only good people can come out of "nice" neighbourhoods.

and don't think the victimhood narrative is healthy

Wow. Calling out or describing racism and common tropes is "victimhood narrative"now.
Maybe people should just shut up, not say anything, take it as "banter", ay.
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Yes, it is unhealthy if it doesn't actually affect you you in any way, but you choose to make yourself a victim. I am not white, I grew up in a specific set of circumstances. I have been assumed to have grown up in a completely different one. It makes not one jot of difference to what I have done in my life and who I am if people think that. Alternately, I can decide I am being slighted because I am assumed to be from a certain religion or area and spend my time moaning about it for attention. But then I've experienced actual racism, so this is the sort of crap I let other people fixate on; while I tell my children to get on with their lives and not let idiots take their sense of self away with such nonsense, when they are demonstrably so much more and living lives better than the vast majority ever will.

And it's not a "trope" to describe what actually happens in a neighbourhood. As I said, if you believe that this reflects badly on the people who live there who are living perfectly sound lives, just in potentially difficult circumstances, then that's your own prejudices at play.

And it's not a "trope" to describe what actually happens in a neighbourhood

Nobody has said it is.
She's not from there though

@Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock 👏👏

Who isn't? Meghan? Didn't she grow up with her mother in her mother's house? And if she didn't, how does someone saying she's from Crenshaw (where her mother lives) reflect badly on her? Why should she be ashamed of that?

Show me on this thread where I have said what you said I did...where did I say it here? I haven't! As I said you pride yourself on being factual so come on then where is my post saying exactly what you claim I said? Otherwise you made it up and I never said that

On this thread, no. But here you are in a previous discussion of Meghan and Harry’s Netflix documentary where the fact that it inaccurately presented the paparazzi aimed at Meghan and Harry was much worse than others had experienced on the joining the Royal family was pointed out. You said that when Meghan joined the press abuse had been ratcheted up to a whole new level.

No need to be so aggressive, in fact. As a PP asked, I presume you are not now suggesting these are not your views?

So you lied. You wrote in quote marks that I had said she had it worse but that that is a complete lie and fabrication. Even the screnshot you found isnt proof I said what you quoted me to have said.

So not it's not just not on this thread but on any thread I have never said it otherwise you would of found it and included that screenshot. Now your just including something to try and prove you are right but epic fail. And when you can't your go to is to now make out I'm being aggressive.

I don't take kindly to being told I said something when I didn't, so no I'm not being aggressive at all. I'm simply wanting you to prove what I said or apologise.

And ratcheting it up doesn't equate to worse. Ratcheting it up referred to the racism she faced and if you read what I wrote I said the abuse is too much regardless of who joins the RF if anything I'm saying it's not whose got it worse it's bad for anyone.

Honestly the fact your lying about what I said makes you no better than the other people you call out for lying . You haven't even apologised after admitting I didn't say it, so much for your credibility then we might have different views but you were someone who always just presented truthful information. Well until now that is.

Ratcheting up means increasing - so yes, saying that it's bad for everyone but it ratcheted up to a whole new level for Meghan does mean it was worse for Meghan. Unless you think that increased abuse is not worse, I guess 🤔

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So not it's not just not on this thread but on any thread I have never said it otherwise you would of found it and included that screenshot. Now your just including something to try and prove you are right but epic fail. And when you can't your go to is to now make out I'm being aggressive

To be fair, the whole post that includes the above quote does come across as aggressive.
And a bit out of control.
IMO, obviously.

I'm glad we all agree, now, that Meghan didn't have it worse than any other woman who married into the RF.

It’s an interesting conundrum. Men are generally left alone and the women savaged!

''Twas ever thus WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout

Indeed! I’m only a couple of years younger than Diana would have been and I remember the awful Fergie headlines!

Frumpy Fergie
Freebie Fergie
The Duchess of Pork.

I still didn't day she had it worse. And yes increasing cos of the racism. Anyway that comment is o a different thread different topic so let's just leave it where it belongs

I still didn't day she had it worse. And yes increasing cos of the racism.

I know you would prefer to let this drop and I don't blame you but I don't understand and would like to. The abuse was increasing, but you don't think that means it was worse? How could increased abuse ever not be worse?

Cos something can increase in a different way ergo the racism and I've consistently said the abuse by all rf women is wrong. I'm not about who had it worse cos in my eyes it's not about childish omg she had itnworse than the other so somehow that makes itnokay, it doesn't it's all wrong regardless.