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GB News is losing the plot!

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LimeBiscuit · 23/08/2024 21:10

I really don’t think there is a ‘contest’ other than in the minds of parts of the media. One brother will be King in time and the other brother wants to leave a meaningful legacy in his own right. So far both are doing a great job in carving out their own lives. I hope the brothers come to a point in time where they can be friends again. Life is too short to hold on to anger. The media doesn’t help by embroiling itself in their relationship - or lack thereof currently. I think many people in many countries would love to see a sense of family togetherness again with all of the current King’s grandchildren getting to know one another. It would show how a public facing family can overcome its own difficulties if KCIII could bring both brothers into line again. It’s time to stop painting Harry as the black sheep of the family. It hasn’t worked, it just drives more dissent and anti monarchy feeling in the younger generation. If we are to have a King William and a King George then the younger generation do need to see the institution as worth holding onto. As Harry is clearly active on the world stage harnessing his global appeal would be an advantageous move by the current King.

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/kate-middleton-prince-william-news-meghan-markle-prince-harry-contest

Princess Kate and Prince William lose contest to Meghan Markle and Prince Harry

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex stepped back as working royals four years ago

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/kate-middleton-prince-william-news-meghan-markle-prince-harry-contest

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PoppysAunt · 24/08/2024 12:29

Although I think you can't separate any of those points from the other parts of Spare, and I don't think he should have invaded others' privacy like that.

LimeBiscuit · 24/08/2024 12:29

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 12:07

Just three companies – DMG Media (publishers of the Daily Mail, Metro and i), News UK (the Sun and The Times) and Reach (Daily Mirror, Daily Express, Daily Star) – dominate 90% of national newspaper circulation.
Across the world the largest media companies are constantly condensing their power with little control or intervention and no obligations to act in the public interest.

https://www.mediareform.org.uk/key-issues/media-ownership-and-control

Thanks! ☺️

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LimeBiscuit · 24/08/2024 12:32

PoppysAunt · 24/08/2024 12:29

Although I think you can't separate any of those points from the other parts of Spare, and I don't think he should have invaded others' privacy like that.

Oh, I don’t see that as invasion of privacy. He was of course going to have to touch on what occurred between his wife and the royals. Nothing too skeletal fell out of the wardrobe. 😂 It was an excellent book and the overwhelming majority of Amazon reviews are positive. I also keep in mind that the Marmite duo have multiple book deals so I expect another book, possibly from Meghan, at some point.

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SonicTheHodgeheg · 24/08/2024 12:35

Does Harry even want to make up with his brother? (I think that he and Charles definitely love each other )

In order for there to be peace then Harry needs to stop slagging off his family and get on with his life. He has made himself the King of clickbait and it’s not the media’s fault that they are able to make millions out of his own actions. If he wanted the media to only cover stuff like the Columbia tour then he wouldn’t do interviews etc that are just new revenue streams for the media.

His family have grey rocked him and that’s actually very kind considering that Oprah was supposed to be the last word they’d make about his family.

I’m no stranger to reading gossip but GB News isn’t my cup of tea and I don’t know many people who get the info there either. Did GBN ever have the plot? Isn’t it an employer of people like Farage and half the Tory ex government ?

PoppysAunt · 24/08/2024 12:37

Well, I'm going to say that he did invade his family's privacy.
I think some of the details were unnecessary, unpleasant and cruel.

INeedAnotherName · 24/08/2024 12:51

INeedAnotherName · 24/08/2024 00:06

No i haven't. I've based my assumption on the various news outlets at the time and the following historical documentaries which have all said the same thing. If you can link to any other official/recognised historian I would certainly be interested in reading about it. And I wouldn't trust Edward's take on it either, we all remember what he was like in the beginning before QEII bought him off.

(I know this thread has moved on, but I am genuinely interested in this).

@LimeBiscuit Just in case you missed it. Thanks.

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2024 13:23

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 12:04

Charles had a book and TV interview where he heavily criticised his family. Sophie was exposed bad mouthing the Royal Family. You would think they would be used to this by now.

Difference being that Harry has based his whole being over there on talking about the Royal Family, appearing on chat shows, writing books. That’s his ‘career’ over there, but he now has no material as the RF are no longer speaking to him. He dabbles a bit in Invictus, but has no other purpose. The Americans are only interested in him because of his links to the RF, otherwise he’s pretty much defunct as anyone of importance over there. I’m not a fan of Charles, and never have been. He was criticised at the time, and there was even talk of him not becoming King at all on the back of the book, and the throne passing to William, but what he did doesn’t make what Harry is doing any less relevant.

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2024 13:28

LimeBiscuit · 24/08/2024 12:32

Oh, I don’t see that as invasion of privacy. He was of course going to have to touch on what occurred between his wife and the royals. Nothing too skeletal fell out of the wardrobe. 😂 It was an excellent book and the overwhelming majority of Amazon reviews are positive. I also keep in mind that the Marmite duo have multiple book deals so I expect another book, possibly from Meghan, at some point.

Where are they going to get their material on for these books? Unless they’re going to make stuff up, which is highly possible based on their previous fibs, they have nothing further other than what has already been said/published, as the RF arent speaking to them due to them no longer trusting whether anything they say is going to appear in some tacky American publication.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 24/08/2024 13:35

*LimeBiscuit · Today 12:17
Also, I follow the press reporting styles and coverage of royals. I was sad when Harry left but I would not describe myself as a fan

You post prolifically on here in support of Meghan and Harry, trawl all the media outlets to read and listen about them, read and listen to all the guff the pair of them produce, so why is is it their most rabid cheerleaders always caveat their any posts and threads declaring they are not a fan?, it’s frankly ridiculous! Just own it! You’re not fooling anyone.

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 13:37

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2024 13:23

Difference being that Harry has based his whole being over there on talking about the Royal Family, appearing on chat shows, writing books. That’s his ‘career’ over there, but he now has no material as the RF are no longer speaking to him. He dabbles a bit in Invictus, but has no other purpose. The Americans are only interested in him because of his links to the RF, otherwise he’s pretty much defunct as anyone of importance over there. I’m not a fan of Charles, and never have been. He was criticised at the time, and there was even talk of him not becoming King at all on the back of the book, and the throne passing to William, but what he did doesn’t make what Harry is doing any less relevant.

These are the same accusations aimed at Sarah Ferguson after the divorce. She had a terrible divorce settlement, incredibly low. So she had to work. And of course the work she was given she was only given because she had been a member of the Royal Family. She wrote a children's book - not a terribly good one, but it was published because she had been a Princess. She became the face of US Weightwatchers. She was interviewed, mainly in the US, and given paid speaking engagements. She did charity visits.

The Royal Family have not yet learned an obvious lesson. If you want to control what family members do, you keep giving them money. If you do not want to give them money and tell them to earn their own living, you lose all control. And since none of the Royal Family members have ever been top scientists or similar so could not attract very high salaries in their own right, they all get jobs they would not have secured unless they had been Royal Family members.

smilesy · 24/08/2024 13:54

The Royal Family have not yet learned an obvious lesson. If you want to control what family members do, you keep giving them money

That sounds like giving in to blackmail. Would you give money to your family members to stop them spilling the beans on you? And I’m not sure the public would take too kindly to knowing that the RF are using their money to pay people off 🤷‍♀️

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:00

@smilesy the complaints against Harry are wide ranging. Just as they were against Sarah Ferguson. Both Charles and Sophie have said very negative things about members of the Royal Family, and Charles spilled the beans on his own upbringing. But they were both brought back under control. Sarah by paying off debts and giving her a place to stay.

I am not saying the Royal Family should give all royal family members money. It is up to the Royal Family. I am simply pointing out they should have learned this lesson by now. Either control family members through housing and money, or accept they will do things you will not approve of.

smilesy · 24/08/2024 14:02

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:00

@smilesy the complaints against Harry are wide ranging. Just as they were against Sarah Ferguson. Both Charles and Sophie have said very negative things about members of the Royal Family, and Charles spilled the beans on his own upbringing. But they were both brought back under control. Sarah by paying off debts and giving her a place to stay.

I am not saying the Royal Family should give all royal family members money. It is up to the Royal Family. I am simply pointing out they should have learned this lesson by now. Either control family members through housing and money, or accept they will do things you will not approve of.

Or hope they are decent people who when they leave the family, have the dignity to keep their mouths shut. Other people manage that, like Meghan’s first husband for example. And surely once it becomes known that the RF will pay money, everyone will threaten to tell stories. Seems like a silly idea to me 🤷‍♀️

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:07

@smilesy you are cherry picking and misunderstanding what I am saying.
But no worries. I do not care what Harry or others do. But it is interesting to see the Royal Family keep making the same mistakes again and again.

smilesy · 24/08/2024 14:10

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:07

@smilesy you are cherry picking and misunderstanding what I am saying.
But no worries. I do not care what Harry or others do. But it is interesting to see the Royal Family keep making the same mistakes again and again.

No I’m not. I’m saying that they shouldn’t be paying people off, which is what you are saying they should do. They are a family. You don’t pay members or ex members of family to keep their mouths shut. Where would that end?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 24/08/2024 14:16

I am not saying the Royal Family should give all royal family members money. It is up to the Royal Family. I am simply pointing out they should have learned this lesson by now. Either control family members through housing and money, or accept they will do things you will not approve of.

Somehow I don’t think this would go down well with the British tax payer, I mean they could all refuse to work and still get a lavish lifestyle at our expense.

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:18

@BigWillyLittleTodger it is what they are doing with Sarah Ferguson and Andrew.

smilesy · 24/08/2024 14:18

BigWillyLittleTodger · 24/08/2024 14:16

I am not saying the Royal Family should give all royal family members money. It is up to the Royal Family. I am simply pointing out they should have learned this lesson by now. Either control family members through housing and money, or accept they will do things you will not approve of.

Somehow I don’t think this would go down well with the British tax payer, I mean they could all refuse to work and still get a lavish lifestyle at our expense.

Quite. That’s what mean by it coming across as blackmail

smilesy · 24/08/2024 14:21

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:18

@BigWillyLittleTodger it is what they are doing with Sarah Ferguson and Andrew.

Andrew isn’t refusing to work nor has he willingly stepped down. He has been told to step back. So he isn’t being paid to keep quiet, which is what you previously suggested the royal family should do

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:23

@smilesy Sarah Ferguson has been given housing and money. Andrew has been given security and money. Every time Charles threatens to move him out of his mansion, there is a leak to the press that Andrew is considering writing a book. Andrew stays in his house.
Please do not be so innocent.

RobinStrike · 24/08/2024 14:29

@LimeBiscuit you don't think telling the world his brother has been circumcised is an invasion of privacy? It also has nothing whatever to do with his wife's relationship with the royals. His speculation on William choosing Kate for her suitability for the role rather than love is also insulting and if it's in any way true also an invasion of privacy. (And who is to know apart from them?)

smilesy · 24/08/2024 14:30

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:23

@smilesy Sarah Ferguson has been given housing and money. Andrew has been given security and money. Every time Charles threatens to move him out of his mansion, there is a leak to the press that Andrew is considering writing a book. Andrew stays in his house.
Please do not be so innocent.

Please do not be so patronising 😊. Charles is a bit stuck because of his mother’s wishes regarding Andrew. Short of physically removing Andrew from his house, which would be most unseemly, I’m not sure what Charles can do. He would clearly prefer Andrew to voluntarily move. There are signs he is losing patience though. “Leaks to the press” could well mean the press jumping to conclusions about what Andrew might do if he is made to leave. It doesn’t mean that the press have any actual information

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:33

@smilesy Charles was paying Andrew's security, he also had workmen doing repairs to his house. If all he is doing is saying please move, then Charles knows as well as us that Andrew will never move.
Funny how the press always report that Andrew is intending to write an autobiography whenever Charles threatens to take away his security or move him to Frogmore Cottage. Quite a coincidence.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 24/08/2024 16:02

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:18

@BigWillyLittleTodger it is what they are doing with Sarah Ferguson and Andrew.

Who is they? What money from the public purse is being used for Sarah?

Your plan for Charles to pay off Harry and Meghan (who by the way was financially supporting them after they left and were not cut off as Harry claimed) how much do you think would be enough? They need need multiple millions to support their extremely extravagant life style, what figure from the British tax payer did you have in mind?

PoppysAunt · 24/08/2024 16:03

Nadeed · 24/08/2024 14:33

@smilesy Charles was paying Andrew's security, he also had workmen doing repairs to his house. If all he is doing is saying please move, then Charles knows as well as us that Andrew will never move.
Funny how the press always report that Andrew is intending to write an autobiography whenever Charles threatens to take away his security or move him to Frogmore Cottage. Quite a coincidence.

Well, I've never heard that rumour. Perhaps it's a conspiracy by "the UK Media" (sic)

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