When members of the RF seek to undermine the UK I question the continuation of the monarchy

[Princessfluffy]

In my opinion Harry's Royal Tours are deliberately undermining both the RF and the UK government and interfering with international diplomacy.

I think the King needs to cast Harry adrift properly and in partnership with the government to remove all titles and privileges.

I don't think it's ok for H&M to trade on their status and privilege afforded to them by the UK to try to disrupt international relations. This affects all of us.

I actually agree with this. But nothing will be done about it. It seems KC doesn’t want to alienate his younger son. He’s frightened to be seen to be poking the bear in any way and will probably put up with it for the rest of his reign. The media still focus on H & M as they they are a good source of click bait so this rival court will carry on…

You’re giving way too little credit to ordinary people and the people involved in the world of diplomacy.

Each time the Sussexes do one of these ‘bizarre’ tours they become less relevant and more ridiculous.

Of course the tabloids love it - it’s clickbait - car crash clickbait.

Meghan and Harry have no power to promise anything which could compromise the UK - they can’t even promise to pass a message on to the King because everyone knows that no one in the RF are giving them the time of day.

If they do something particularly outrageous - I can’t even imagine what that would be, be caught accepting an inappropriate gift, fake kidnapping plot etc - then the UK government may be forced to step in and do something but it won’t backfire on the UK government and head of state.

Everyone will just feel more sorry for Charles having such a difficult son and dil.

Agreed. And I still think stripping them of their titles will just play in to their victim mentality even more. They really are doing a splendid job of being given enough rope and hanging themselves. I think ignoring them is the best course of action

My opinion is that KC is concerned that H and M will split and he wants Harry to be able to return to the fold. If he cuts him off completely, Harry could spiral .
I do think William will take a much firmer line when he is in charge .

I now agree they need to be cut adrift
They won’t stop and are raising the odds if it isn’t stopped now they will become bolder

They are undermining the monarchy there is little doubt and more seriously undermining the UK
They are Harry and Meghan and represent themselves- that’s fine

No more of the titles or the whole lot of them can shuffle off as the Monarchy has lost it’s purpose

There is no need to cut them off, any more than Peter Phillips should have been cast off when he was selling milk in China. They are constitutionally irrelevant because they don't represent the King or the UK.

When they visited Nigeria, part of the Commonwealth, the foreign office made it clear it was a private visit, they haven't bothered to do that with Colombia because there isn't that connection.

The tabloids like to make a fuss but people with power and position know who is important politically and who isn't. They know the difference between working members of the Royal family who represent the King and the Country and celebrities who only represent themselves.

Completely agree, wordler
Most people with sense - and certainly those in the higher reaches of diplomacy - will see them for exactly what they are, and TBH I've never been clear on what "damage" they're able to do to the UK as a whole no matter how hard they try

The only caveat I'd add is if they plan to visit Israel, as a new entrant to Invictus.
I can well imagine damage if Harry ran his mouth off there, but for the same reason I'd expect that they'd either never be invited or that attempts would be made to squash such a visit if they were

If they are meeting the Vice President of Colombia that is relevant
That is a member of government - it doesn’t matter if the foreign office says otherwise

Like I said
They haven’t stopped yet
They probably have lots more stunts planned

They are useful puppets and they are members of the Monachy - serving themselves
They could easily cause a diplomatic incident
He’s a useful idiot with a grudge

They're already starting to look a bit desperate. They shouldn't do it, they shouldn't act like official royalty, but they do. They really love the whole titles and privilege malarkey, and don't care for any consequence.
As long as it gives them the headlines and they can make some dosh, they don't care.

I do agree that H&M, by their own antics, are not relevant to the UK constitutional monarchy.

Having said that I would be very much in favour of withdrawing all funding for his security when (if!) he visits the UK, (the 28 days notice funding); oh and he needs to pick up the legal costs tab for the challenge to RAVEC decision mess.

You're right - some foreign power could easily manipulate a willing idiot like Harry.

I agree. This can't go on. It's like deciding you will still trade on a company's name once you have resigned. Not on.

Aren’t they being used in the slavery reparations argument? I’m pretty sure Harry doesn’t have enough of a grasp of history to understand the British had no involvement in Spanish and Portuguese colonialism.

I do think the Foreign Office/local British Embassy should issue a statement for every one of these visits making it clear they have no official connection to the BRF and government of the UK.

Yes I was thinking that. If they stick their oar in in relation to reparations in Colombia, that will go down well with the Spanish government. Not

I'd be amazed if he knew anything at all about the issue.

I agree with you. An official disclaimer at the start of each jolly.

Putin will invite them next and I'm not even joking.

I would be very much in favour of withdrawing all funding for his security when (if!) he visits the UK, (the 28 days notice funding)

They can't do that, @pearlfritillary; if someone's genuinely assessed as needing security it seems only right they get it, no matter how objectionable that person happens to be

Oh and he needs to pick up the legal costs tab for the challenge to RAVEC decision mess

I don't imagine his legal team will work for free and doubtless they'll expect paying - though whether it's Harry who'll cough up or his dad is something we may never know

Unless you mean he should pay the Home Office's costs too, and I expect he'll be on the hook for at least a share if he loses

I'm sure Harry could be manipulated but how would that affect either the Monarchy or the UK Government?

Charles would be very sad if anything happened to Harry but it doesn't affect the country, or the rest of us.

Harry knows a little bit about security protocols and the layout of any safe rooms etc in the palace buildings but I'm sure the palace has taken measures to mitigate any danger from that.

Harry also - based on stuff he's said in interviews and in Spare - doesn't seem to have the best grasp on facts, how things work and reality so I'm not sure he's particularly useful to any foreign power - apart from a bit of cheap publicity like this current trip. How many of us had ever heard of the VP of Colombia before this? Good for her - she's raised her international profile at their expense, although it sounds like it's a controversial move for her internally.

You're right, @wordler . He's not really got the "useful" part of "useful idiot".
Some people may want to use them for their notoriety, perhaps?

I’ll say it’s more that she’s raised to an international audience knowledge of her unpopularity amongst the electorate of Colombia, as well as that of the President. Much like how we all now know that the fellow who bestowed the princess title in Nigeria is actually a fraudulent criminal with a record in the US. In other words, she’s been Markled.

Relevant to who?

Not relevant to the UK, they don't represent the Government or anyone but themselves.

I don't know enough about Colombian politics to know if the VP will get anything politically advantageous internally out of meeting minor royals.

Lots of celebrities meet politicians about charity ventures. Some represent the UN, like Angelina Jolie. The Sussexes represent themselves. It's fun to discuss the outfits but beyond that it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

If you want monarchy, you have to accept it is hereditary thing and sometimes you won't like the heirs. If you're not prepared to accept this fundamental of monarchy, then you are pretty much anti-monarchy.🤷‍♀️