When members of the RF seek to undermine the UK I question the continuation of the monarchy

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In my opinion Harry's Royal Tours are deliberately undermining both the RF and the UK government and interfering with international diplomacy.

I think the King needs to cast Harry adrift properly and in partnership with the government to remove all titles and privileges.

I don't think it's ok for H&M to trade on their status and privilege afforded to them by the UK to try to disrupt international relations. This affects all of us.

My opinion is that KC is concerned that H and M will split and he wants Harry to be able to return to the fold.

Fred has his agenda for sure but it raises questions.

What might a 'fold' look like?

How long can the increasingly damaging faux royal hamming be tolerated?

And maybe most pertinently how long will any potential door back actually be open given his health issues?

Willy is highly unlikely to embrace reconciliation once the window closes and he's got the reins. If it's a done deal beforehand is he expected to tolerate and underwrite the prodigal?

We know our king is averse to confrontation but.... mess isn't even close.

Oh good grief, if they go and wind up arrested as part of a Russian prisoner swap scheme...

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He can’t remove Harry’s, which means he can’t stop Meghan from being styled Princess Henry. He can remove Archie and Lilibet’s by Letters Patent but what would be the point when they can’t pass theirs on to their children.

I think Charles can remove the title of Prince but not Duke, Duke has to go through parliament, this article explains it, Charles would never do it though.

middletemplar.org.uk/to-strip-or-not-to-strip-prince-harrys-titles/

Thank you for posting that, @BigWillyLittleTodger, I’m clearly wrong about Harry’s Prince title. Interesting read!

You’re welcome @Ohpleeeease yes I thought it was very enlightening!

Their behaviour shows the wisdom of turning down the half in half out idea. In Courtiers Valentine Low talks about how Harry was convinced he only had ten years of relevance before attention turned to the younger generation. Ironically I believe he had fulfilled his own prophecy early by leaving as a working royal. He can cos play all he wants but he can't change the fact that he no longer has any official status or influence.

I wonder if Harry thought that Meghan would give longevity to his relevance? She's very confident, ambitious, able to hustle - perhaps he thought that the plan to move away would be a way to make more money, but also be very famous and influential for longer?

As someone living in the US I think people are reading far too much into this. There is almost no coverage of H&M. What there is, is not always positive. If you look at the press coverage it’s almost entirely UK based. Therein lies their problem- they are never going to be successful in the UK but in the US beyond a core (slightly vocal) group of sycophants they are not massively relevant. They are not mega celebrities in the Hollywood sense. Beyond the Oprah story they don’t have a captivating story (my daddy who is now the King cut me off at 40 isn’t actually a sob story) and their lives seem pretty mundane.

What has given them some oxygen is the absence of William and Kate. Once they are back, and the RF and the international diplomatic circus is fully back on with a US election looming they will be even less relevant for the rest of the year.

They are yet to find their USP in the US. They don’t actually have a brand. Or anything they can sell. And by American standards their list of achievements is mediocre. She started in Suits, did some charity work and married a Prince. He was born into Royalty, served in the Army (this country is full of veterans), and left his family in a huff. If you ask most people who have heard of them (and not a lot in the US have), this is the potted biography most people will give you.

I think all this cutting off titles and what not will give publicity and oxygen to something that is possibly not deserving of it.

I have many American friends and the only time they ask about the royals is around things like the Coronation where I try to explain protocol and the history in the details.

I think you are completely right, we forget in the UK how truly vast and diverse the US is, their profile is tiny there and unless they start getting traction, will shrink further.

Plus I can't see much sympathy in the US for any loss of titles (which I don't think is going to happen anyway). Titles aren't really a thing in the country that overthrew the British!

Without the HRH, their titles are fairly meaningless.

It wouldn't be worth the hassle and controversy of removing them.

They are becoming more irrelevant by the day in any case. The Colombia trip is already a big step down from the Nigeria faux royal tour. They are now married parents in their 40s, no longer the glamorous young couple they were a few years ago. I don't see how their increasingly desperate shenanigans are any sort of threat to the monarchy or the country.

It's not worth removing the titles. Imagine how they would milk that? The sense of victimhood would be off the scale.
They're increasingly dull and irrelevant. Let them get on with their nonsense.

I think that quote is revealing as to how much Harry loves the limelight.

He was correct in saying that when George and his siblings approach adulthood and he is well into middle age, interest in him will wane. However, that doesn't mean he wouldn't still have an important role to play, just as Anne and Edward do. And while the Queen had 4 children, Charles only has 2 sons, and William only has one brother. So he and his wife would always have had a role, one they would have been able to shape to their preference.

But they gave it up to play pretend royals on another continent. So daft.

Yes. If he was truly wanting to live a life of public service he would copy Anne and Sophie and Edward, who work hard for their chosen causes and represent the King with very little publicity because for them it isn't about the press its about the people.

Harry makes me tired.

This is exactly why they couldn’t have half in/ half out. It was obvious from the beginning of Mexit that they were going to merch their royal status and connections. You can’t represent the government and the RF and be making money from your status. Harry watched his Uncle Andrew learn this the hard way. And yet he still doesn’t understand.

What they seem to want is the freebies and attention without any of the responsibilities. And that’s not how it works.

They look like desperate grifters now.

Harry's retort to Anderson Cooper when asked about why he didn't give up the titles once living in the US was very revealing.

AC: "Why not renounce your titles as Duke and Duchess?"

H: "And what difference would that make?"

[Well then, it won't make any difference if the titles are removed from you, mate, will it? You've said so yourself.]

Harry said it in a huffy tone, and then diverted off into some paranoia about his increasingly unbecoming public displays of rancour: "every single time I've tried to do it privately there have been briefings and leakings and planting of stories against me and my wife".

Such nonsensical projection. He's not right in the head and hasn't been for some time.

Paranoia is a side effect of habitual cannabis use.

What difference would it make?

I wish the interviewer had replied "well it might change the perception that you are trading off your royal titles whilst simultaneously slagging off the royal family and everything it stands for". The hypocrisy, in other words.

This, absolutely.
He has no self awareness.

Having watched the minimal BBC coverage of their visit, the main question in my mind is why cover this when they ignore the fantastic work the Duchess of Edinburgh does in the field of VAWG? Those are the tours I'd like to see covered not this with the nothing shots of reporters standing outside venues they aren't invited into anyway.

I think you've identified the point. Sophie's tours are not about her. She doesn't draw attention to herself, but the causes. H&M are all about their branding and they're controversial figures, so worth news outlets trying to get the clicks.
I think it's a shame though.

No one in the rest of the world cares about the British monarchy so honestly don't worry about it!

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The recent CBS interview on suicide was awful and cringe worthy to watch.

Now they are an aging couple who will be less relevant as the years go by, although I suspect they will do a big reveal of the children to garner publicity at some stage.