Sussex Whiplash

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Sometimes, all the different media outlets who purport to know the inner workings of all things Sussex can give me whiplash. One moment the Sussex duo are on the outs with everyone, hemorrhaging or devoid of influential friends, making no headway with Netflix, losing money, can’t afford their mortgage and claimed to no longer be relevant. Then Suits saw an upsurge in viewers - fantastic ratings on Netflix, the BBC buys Suits, Invictus is being promoted via Harry’s award and trips, he receives a heartfelt standing ovation, Meghan finishes filming a new Netflix series purportedly linked to a nascent commercial venture and a new podcast is set for next year.

‘Lonely’ Harry, as some will insist on writing, is also not something that rings true for me. He has too much charisma, energy, interests, causes and is a people person. I also cannot think of anyone who needs to say I am friends with x, y, and z on a regular basis for the benefit or not of strangers. We don’t know who they are friends with, really. Meanwhile, pundits continue to engage those interested in the couple with whatever they can attributing the information to some made up mysterious ‘sources’. I suspect their real friends are quietly keeping their own counsel. Especially, now they have seen the mutual pathological loathing that Harry and the tabloids have towards one another. Can’t say I blame them either.

Now there is this:

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and

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Considering Whoopi G had less than favourable words for the couple I’d like to have been a fly on the wall at any meetings held. No doubt ‘netizens’ will have their microscopes to the ready to give us all their ‘insights’ regarding the events of the evening. No doubt I’ll get whiplash again when all their combined fingers hit the keyboards.

And the Vikings?

The Medieval Muslim Empire who traded slaves with the Vikings?
The Berbers who took people as slaves from the coast of Britain?

US.

Ok, you win the internet today 🤣

I just listened to a podcast about Jimmy Saville last night, so it’s uppermost in my mind. The RF gave this man legitimacy by befriending him and so publicly spending time with him. It’s not in the past, the effects of this. People are still hurting and suffering from Jimmy Saville’s abuse of children, and not once has Charlie’s felt compelled, it seems, to say sorry, and, we fucked up. I thought Charles had spoken out already. But it seems I was wrong and he hasn’t?? Saville is dead, but people still suffer and there will be generational suffering too. What is stopping Charles saying sorry for the bad judgement. Or just acknowledging the bad judgement? There are people who want to hear from the people who gave legitimacy to their abusers. I know this personally.

Is there anything you won’t blame Charles for? There were people who actually knew what was going on at the BBC they are the ones who should be held accountable, do you really think that Jimmy Saville would let his evil mask slip in front of royalty? he would have been charm personified Charles would have absolutely no idea that he was a child rapist, this point in your post is absolutely ridiculous and unfair, should he issue and apology for knowing and speaking to Rolf Harris as well? Maybe issue an apology on behalf of the Queen for her “bad judgement”

Diana was taken in as well. Savile groomed a nation.

Brilliant 😂

The BBC and the Yorkshire police who protected Saville when complaints were made are responsible for Saville. To everyone else, he was a national treasure, thanks to their protection of his reputation.

Insanity. Charles should apologize for someone else’s heinous crimes?

Meanwhile, Harry has no culpability for the ongoing crimes of an organization he continues to lead. Mind blowing.

As has been said on here countless times, no-one would have felt angry with Harry if he and Meghan had simply left to live entirely private, modest lives below the radar. Harry had enough money to sustain that lifestyle. Yes, there would have been disappointment - say, soon after the wedding when H's image was still intact and Meghan was positively viewed as a refreshing addition to the RF - but not anger and resentment.

I agree - if they had wanted to do a Katherine Kent and just withdraw from public life people things would have been very different.

But they never, ever wanted that. They made it very clear in their initial manifesto not that they had to “get out”, but that they wanted to keep doing the job but on their own terms and monetising their positions. It was only after they found out that that was not possible that they had to “get out”, and suddenly the story changed to it being an unsurvivable environment, and Harry cast himself as having to protect his family.

This is another reason why trust in Harry has eroded. It’s difficult to keep giving people the benefit of the doubt when they have demonstrated they are happy to manipulate you.

@LactoseDeservesTolerance because in the desperation to excuse Harry, there's a sort of mad scramble to blame Charles for all manner of stuff, as if that would somehow make Harry's behaviour less awful.

(See also Harry being caught out having issued court proceedings to try and get his security funded by the taxpayer, and only after he had done so coming up with the line that he’d offered to pay for it, to make the story more palatable to those taxpayers).

I’ve got plenty of criticisms of Harry but can see how this all works on here now. He can not be granted any grace at all. Everything he does is wrong, self serving etc etc etc.

That applies to everyone else in his family on this board though, generally? See the comments about Charles on this thread, for example. Why should Harry be immune when we can actually point to concrete poor conduct?

Looks like the “Progressive new role” was one where they planned to get paid and have all the trappings but didn’t do any work. Progressive indeed.

Charles cannot apologise on behalf of the British nation without the permission of the British government.

Yes, I understand that.

Charles can apologise on behalf of his family’s past. He and the rest of the family - including Harry - still reap the benefits. And the British govt can apologise for the govt past actions. Believe it or not, when the Australian govt, on behalf of the Australian people, said sorry to Aboriginal Australians for the Stolen Generations the sky did not fall in. Years later it still hasn’t fallen in apparently.

I’ve said that Harry needs to say/do more. Whatever is appropriate. This thing involves Africa Parks, Survivors International, the traditional landowners, the WWF, the Congolese govt, a billionaire and Harry, and god knows who else. So I don’t know what is an appropriate response from Harry but a stronger more definite response is needed from him, I agree.

What that is I don’t know but I’ve read more in the last hour or so and all I can say definitely, is that as usual the people who have suffered are the colonised - the Baka people.

There are parallels to be drawn between Charles inability to be accountable, and Harry’s inability to be accountable.

Anyway, that’s all I’m going to say about acknowledgement; apologies and pardophile friends, and titles.

Have a good day.

Well, Harry should apologise.
Then, when they are older, Archie and Lilibet.
Then their children.....

There is no comparison whatsoever with Charles and Harry.
Harry and African Parks?
Charles and historical events which ended before he was born?

I'm also intrigued by what went on in that quasi royal tour of Nigeria. I don't just mean ghastly, creased, inappropriate clothing. I mean who they dealt with and what they got out of it.
We shall see...🤔

Please explain how Charles is accountable for things that happened before his birth? Or things that other people did?

Please also explain, if you were a victim of Saville, how an apology from someone who did not harm you would help you heal from something another person did to you?

Charles can apologise on behalf of his family’s past.

I think you are being disingenuous here.

The ruling royal house during the time of the Atlantic slave trade were not 'his family'. Putting aside how anyone can be responsible for what happened centuries ago, he is only very distantly related to those generations of royals. He cannot apologise on behyalf of the institution of the monarchy, as that would be a matter of state and require government permission, as said above.

He and the rest of the family - including Harry - still reap the benefits.

So Harry can apologise, can't he? He's only one generation more down the line.

And the British govt can apologise for the govt past actions.

So take it up with them.

There are parallels to be drawn between Charles inability to be accountable, and Harry’s inability to be accountable.

Only if you believe that being 'accountable' for things when happened centuries before you were born is the same as being accountable for things happening right now.

Do you believe that?

There was a thread recently where the poster learned her family, generations before, enslaved people. She wanted to know what others would do if they found out their family had done this. Pretty much everyone called her a virtue signaler.

i don't think if you look carefully that most people have family histories with nothing to be ashamed of. Even enslaved people were often betrayed into slavery by their own people.

Where does this apologising for the past stop though? Who is it applicable to? Eg my past family were enmeshed in a mining system where their whole lives were controlled by a private coal mine and children went down the mines and as soon as born were " owned" by the mining company. On the other side my relative worked in flax mills at 9 years of age. Again flax mills were privately owned. Many of the great buildings and institutions were built on the basis of that industry? Do I look for an apology? No. Do I look for reparations? No. Do I demand these buildings are torn down? No. Why not? Because I am a sensible person. I'm not looking to blame anyone for my life now. Everyone can claim a past which is different from what we now know to be acceptable. My Great Grandmother had a monkey in her little shop given to her by a sailor. Are only certain groups of people entitled to whinge about their past? Why don't they get up off their arses and do what millions of others have done?

With regards to continuing to use their titles, even Harry and Meghan couldn’t answer honestly, when Harry was asked by an interviewer why he hadn’t dropped using his title, his irritated and dismissive retort was ‘what difference would that make’ .

When Meghan was asked why it was important for her that her children had British Royal titles, she retorted ‘it’s their birthright’.

They both want those British Royal titles and connections more than any one, Hopefully the British government and Charles will have the courage to follow in the steps of the European Royals, sooner rather than later.