Mother of Pat Tillman has criticised the decision to give Prince Harry the memorial award at ESPY

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Mary Tillman says " There are recipients far more fitting. He publicly disrespected his family , ran away from service to his country. He is unworthy of this award"

She feels there are recipients far more fitting.

I think she speaks for many.

Oh then Harry doing it totally makes sense. He was into punk in the late 70s? Thank you for explaining. Did he also have a band?

That's bad, he'd agreed not to use it

Just saw a photo on X and their bodyguard (the bald guy) is sitting behind them. Seriously? Also in the photo you can see Venus Williams sitting beside them and not even clapping, just looking very unimpressed.

What did he achieve? To me these days America looks ridiculous. Their CVs are going to look nice with lots of awards for doing something that served for themselves.

What relevance does that have to actually dressing up as a member of the Afrika Korps, which is what Harry did?

ah okay, thanks for clarifying, that is more than correct they should have had the opportunity to speak, The photo images of all four on the stage look very awkward though.

I wonder if that was the original plan ! To have some vets on the stage with him.

Harry Hapless and the Spares. Never made it big.

Since they were walking off, probably not. But, you know, safety in numbers.

I agree, it’s all so unedifying, imagine William getting up on stage to receive an award on ITV for being a rescue pilot with all the other rescue pilots standing on stage applauding him, it would be so utterly crass but Harry is so far up his own backside he thinks he deserves every award he purchases, no doubt he will be putting in a bid for the Nobel Peace Prize next, and I’m only half joking.

It doesn’t. Now go chase that squirrel.

I watched the video. When Harry walked up, there were boos from the audience. When you look at the rapid panover of the crowd. The people in the back sections aren't standing. He actually told the vets to "whoa" rather than leave the stage. Not a standard US way of speaking to equals, or actually to humans. Perhaps I misheard and he was saying "wait" in a posh UK accent.

The vet in the red dress moved as far from him as possible on the stage while still being polite. She did not look happy. The vet in the white dress also did not look thrilled. Tillman's widow, who is going to find her charity under increased scrutiny for its finances, did NOT look happy.

The NY Post had 2 articles with very annoyed comments. No one appreciated Harry's comments about Mary Tillman. I certainly didn't.

2005 - he joined the Army and spent a year as an officer cadet at Sandhurst
2006 - commissioned as a cornet (second lieutenant) in the Blues and Royals
2007 - 10 weeks in Afghanistan
2008 - promotion to lieutenant
Late 2008 - May 2010 flying training
2011 - promotion to captain, and Apache qualification
September 2012 - deployed to Afghanistan
January 2013 - returned (time in theatre, 20 weeks)
2014 - took up at staff job HQ London District, working on ceremonial and special events, and later veteran's affairs. Invictus founded.
2015, left the Army in June, after 4 weeks in Australia with their Defence Forces

Harry actually looked extremely uncomfortable. He looked as if he was close to tears and I don't think it was for veterans. I think it was for himself as he realised this wasn't quite working out as Meghan had said. Meghan meanwhile sitting clapping 

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Hilarious 😂 I for one, have no words….talk about posters tying themselves in knots to excuse his behaviour. Lowest of the low.

I won't pretend to understand or excuse the foibles of the British aristocracy - I'm sure the Queen Mother had her reasons for finding a Nazi salute funny way back when. A lady lest we forget was reputedly in support of Rhodesian UDI when white PM Ian Smith thwarted Zimbabwean Independence in 1965.

AFAIK the only member of the British Royal family to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is Princess Anne in 1990, nominated by President Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia for her work as President of Save The Children

She'd been with that charity for 20+ years at that point, and had famously said that she spent the first decade doing what she was told (as the charity knew what she could do of most value to them) and really learning about its work. And only then starting to shape things

“I won't pretend to understand or excuse the foibles of the British aristocracy”.

You’re doing exactly that but just for Harry?While throwing mud at everyone else in the RF from nearly a century ago.
Only Harry gets a free pass. Noted.

Even I, a humble American, can answer that one. Back in the 1930 's people in the world were not fully aware of the atrocity called Hitler. If you read biographies about the Mitfords, for example, you can see the evolution of beliefs about Hitler in the aristocracy. Look at Nancy versus Diana.

By the 1970's even those of us in US public schools were aware of the Holocaust. My school had yearly visits from survivors. Based on Harry's own account in "Spare", which I checked out from my local library, he was oblivious to any history whatsoever despite attempts from his hapless teachers. And he went to an allegedly good school.

This is the usual frantic "point at anything to take the heat off Harry" technique.

It's Madness, I tell you...
"Don't watch that...Watch THIS!"

As late as 1938 the English football team gve the Nazi salute when playing in Germany (honourable exception Stan Cullis who was then left out of the squad)

That picture is not the "gotcha" you think it is.1933 was not informed by the knowledge of future events that Harry would have had in 2005.

No time for the DoW who undoubtedly had self interested Nazi sympathies. Didn't particularly like the QM either, much prefer Prince Philip's mother, who was named Righteous Among the Nations for risking her life in hiding a Jewish family during WW2.

Lest we forget.

This screenshot is only shocking in its ignorance of place and time.

In 1925 in his biography Mein Kampf Hitler laid it all out, in graphic detail his views on Jews. My dear late father who was born in 1917 and served in for 5 years in WW2 read it as a teenager and was chilled to his bones by it's content. But then he was just a child of a single northern mum who lost her husband when he was 10 to pneumonia and was brought up on a police pension of 10 shillings a week along with his 2 siblings and not a member of a privilged aristocratic family.

Sickening stuff he wasn't exactly hiding his murderous,evil views.
https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/extracts-from-mein-kampf.html

No mention of the hypocrisy of the mention of good taste and refusal to trots in sewers then?

Noted.

Too busy flinging shite at others when a mirror would be useful.

Only we don’t think.

We know.

Seen.

And noted.

And not surprised.

But but but Andrew and everyone else.

Just not the racist glory seeking excuse of a human.

Noted.