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Mother of Pat Tillman has criticised the decision to give Prince Harry the memorial award at ESPY

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PrincessMee · 30/06/2024 08:58

Mary Tillman says " There are recipients far more fitting. He publicly disrespected his family , ran away from service to his country. He is unworthy of this award"

She feels there are recipients far more fitting.

I think she speaks for many.

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TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:49

So it's basically a mickey mouse award given for fairly trivial achievements in the scheme of things and ESPN have got shedloads of publicity on the back of deciding to give it to Prince Harry can we all agree on that ?

smilesy · 10/07/2024 20:51

TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:49

So it's basically a mickey mouse award given for fairly trivial achievements in the scheme of things and ESPN have got shedloads of publicity on the back of deciding to give it to Prince Harry can we all agree on that ?

We’re already established that it’s good publicity for ESPN while you’ve been having a few days off. So if this is your convoluted way of pointing this out, you are late to the party 😆

typo

IsoldeWagner · 10/07/2024 20:52

I think we can agree that any award for Harry is one too many. Apart from one for the art of whinging, greed and mendacity.

TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:57

Good I can go to bed happy we are all in agreement in this the new Starmer Era - Year Zero.

Runnerinthenight · 10/07/2024 20:58

TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:57

Good I can go to bed happy we are all in agreement in this the new Starmer Era - Year Zero.

Only we're not!

PrincessMee · 10/07/2024 21:06

I love this old bird 🤗

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TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:57

Good I can go to bed happy we are all in agreement in this the new Starmer Era - Year Zero.

Fantastic 🙄

TallestSally · 10/07/2024 21:30

Tupperware should come with a lock.

TallestSally · 10/07/2024 21:38

Feed the birds - tuppence a baaaag

What was it again? Biscuit crumbs?

Something must attract them.

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Mylovelygreendress · 10/07/2024 21:58

TheFirmBiscuit · 10/07/2024 20:26

If you watch that video I posted that was who the award went to professional field medics who saved the life of an NFL footballer who suffered cardiac arrest during a game which is their job. I've done the Heimlich twice in my life once on a friend who was choking on a fish bone and second on my sister who swallowed a lump of beef that went down the wrong way. Both were in agony and choking to death and my quick action expelled the offending piece of food that could have killed them. I have training in first aid so I just did what I could but by the ESPY standards I should be in with a shout ! So Harry with his continuing and active passion for INVICTIS and helping to build an enduring legacy should be a shoe in.

Learn the Heimlich it works.

A few years ago DH and I were in a cafe and a young lad choked on a piece of bacon . DH performed the Heimlich and the boy expelled the piece of bacon .
DH received a free coffee for his quick thinking .

TallestSally · 10/07/2024 22:11

Well done your DH @Mylovelygreendress 🌻

TallestSally · 10/07/2024 22:13

Do they sell Horlicks in Elevenerife?

I’m trained in making a milked drink.

IsoldeWagner · 10/07/2024 22:16

Excellent, @Mylovelygreendress . Your DH is a quick thinker.

TheFirmBiscuit · 11/07/2024 07:59

I would have liked Pat Tillman - his mother has a more than valid beef at the US State at the deception they used to cover up his death by friendly fire. A lot of the commentary on this misses this out. She is rightly outraged at losing her son in an illegal war and then the subsequent official cover up over his death. Maybe she sees Harry as part of the official "death or glory" army narrative rather than an unworthy recipient per se as he has never passed judgement as far as I know on the legality of the war he fought in.

The Washington Post reported that prior to his death, Tillman called the invasion and occupation of Iraq "fucking illegal".

The Army Special Operations Command initially claimed that there was an exchange with hostile forces. After a lengthy investigation conducted by Brigadier General Gary M. Jones, the U.S. Department of Defense concluded that both the Afghan militia soldier's and Tillman's deaths were due to friendly fire aggravated by the intensity of the firefight.

Tillman's mother testified before Congress, stating "The deception surrounding this case was an insult to the family, but more importantly, its primary purpose was to deceive a whole nation."

After Kevin's testimony, Pete Geren, acting secretary of the Army, stated to reporters, "We as an Army failed in our duty to the Tillman family, the duty we owe to all the families of our fallen soldiers: give them the truth, the best we know it, as fast as we can."

Jones reported that members of Tillman's unit burned his body armor and uniform in an apparent attempt to hide the fact that he was killed by friendly fire. His notebook, in which, according to author Jon Krakauer, Tillman had recorded some of his thoughts on Afghanistan, was also burned; "a blatant violation of protocol

Tillman's notebook/diary was never returned to his family, and its whereabouts are not publicly known

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

BemusedAmerican · 11/07/2024 08:10

This whole situation has shown a positive light on Pat and Mary Tillman, and a very enlightening one on the foundation run by the former Tillman widow. Lots of people will be researching charities before donating.

IsoldeWagner · 11/07/2024 08:15

BemusedAmerican · 11/07/2024 08:10

This whole situation has shown a positive light on Pat and Mary Tillman, and a very enlightening one on the foundation run by the former Tillman widow. Lots of people will be researching charities before donating.

Yes, it was set up with such good intentions, to honour people like Pat Tillman.
Not people like Prince Harry.

TheFirmBiscuit · 11/07/2024 08:17

Another US veteran award winner (2018)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Wood_(veteran)

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MrsLeonFarrell · 11/07/2024 08:32

This fiasco really highlights the problem Harry has. He can ever stop being royal, he's the King's son even if he stopped using the titles that won't change. But he chose to leave as a senior working royal and embrace an American celebrity way of life.

It doesn't create much approval here because we are not used to the senior royals using their position to make money, minor royals like Peter Phillips or the York sisters seem to get away with it. It doesn't work in the US because there he is just one celebrity amongst many and hasn't settled on a single message to ensure cut through in a crowded market.

So he isn't getting totally positive publicity here because we don't like senior royals making money from their titles and he will never get totally positive publicity there because, well for lots of reasons but it's Republic and a vast country to start with.

For someone who hates criticism he really is in a no win editorial.

TheFirmBiscuit · 11/07/2024 08:32

Having looked into this further I take back the mickey mouse slur that I used for last year's recipients - that award winner (2018) above has done great enduring works for veterans for sure.

MrsLeonFarrell · 11/07/2024 08:33

MrsLeonFarrell · 11/07/2024 08:32

This fiasco really highlights the problem Harry has. He can ever stop being royal, he's the King's son even if he stopped using the titles that won't change. But he chose to leave as a senior working royal and embrace an American celebrity way of life.

It doesn't create much approval here because we are not used to the senior royals using their position to make money, minor royals like Peter Phillips or the York sisters seem to get away with it. It doesn't work in the US because there he is just one celebrity amongst many and hasn't settled on a single message to ensure cut through in a crowded market.

So he isn't getting totally positive publicity here because we don't like senior royals making money from their titles and he will never get totally positive publicity there because, well for lots of reasons but it's Republic and a vast country to start with.

For someone who hates criticism he really is in a no win editorial.

Situation not editorial!

PrincessMee · 11/07/2024 08:36

IsoldeWagner · 10/07/2024 20:52

I think we can agree that any award for Harry is one too many. Apart from one for the art of whinging, greed and mendacity.

Edited

He would get the highest of honours in that.

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LaMarschallin · 11/07/2024 08:37

TheFirmBiscuit

Having looked into this further I take back the mickey mouse slur that I used for last year's recipients

Backfired a bit.

PrincessMee · 11/07/2024 08:47

TheFirmBiscuit · 11/07/2024 08:32

Having looked into this further I take back the mickey mouse slur that I used for last year's recipients - that award winner (2018) above has done great enduring works for veterans for sure.

🦭

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BemusedAmerican · 11/07/2024 08:51

The guy won the award in 2018, and was probably contacted and asked to issue a statement to help it out this year. He admits that it is his own perspective. He also admits that other people feel differently. At least he is honest.

Uricon2 · 11/07/2024 09:04

@TheFirmBiscuit I've no idea why you are citing Savile as a recipient of a "royal honour" as if the late QE decided to give it to him off her own bat. The Government of the day determines who gets the sort of knighthood he did (as you know) He didn't receive one of the Monarchs personal orders.

Anyway, Harry still seems quite comfortable using his Royal Dukedom and wearing his Royal Awards.

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