Will he or won’t he win the battle against the Home Office?

[Tizzwazz]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-given-green-light-to-appeal-high-court-ruling-over-police-protection-13148987

“Granting the appeal, Judge David Bean said he was persuaded "not without hesitation" that Harry's challenge has a real prospect of success.”

Also, the fact that Harry voluntarily agreed to relinquish his use of ‘HRH’ shows that he knows damn well he doesn’t represent the Head of State (the actual IPP) any more.

The same is true if he claims he agreed to relinquish under pressure. He’s out of the IPP umbrella zone.

I jut think he is increasingly coming over as embittered . Also he must know how RAVEC works - surely. He ill get security on a case by case basis.
I think when he said Meghan was panicking ( I paraphrase ) that their security would be taken away - Honest to goodness did they not think that not being working members of the RF would have changed their arrangements.

I hope the RAVEC judgement is upheld & by goodness I want to see Harry pay back the money which he will owe the taxpayer for this case . If he ever had a smile on his face latterly - that might wipe it off.

I also hope the judgment is upheld. The way RAVEC are handling his security seems eminently sensible.

He'll never pay the taxpayer back! He'll soak us for whatever he can get.

In fact, if they have indeed read Spare, they may have concluded that the best revenge is to ignore him

Once they've read Spare and stopped laughing, that is.

HE may well have had IPP status when he first entered the US that's the rumour, that he entered on what's been described as a "head of state" visa.

But then he sat on a bench with Meghan and told Americans they needed to vote in the 2020 election. And it was pretty clear who they were asking people to vote for, even if it wasn't spoken out loud. I'm pretty sure that sails close to the wind of his needing to register as a foreign agent in the US. It's certainly not behaviour in keeping with a diplomatic visa.

I don’t think they DID think their status would change . Harry himself wrote that “ they” would never remove his security . He had had 30+ years of getting his own way and it was simply impossible for him to accept that someone would say no to him . He clearly thought the late Queen would bow to his demands . Must have been a hell of a shock to be told no.

But did Harry not see the diminishing roles of his uncles, aunts and cousins as he and William became adults and married? Did it not occur to him that would be him in the future as William’s children grew up? It baffles me that he didn’t see it would be him in 10/20 years time.

@WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout I don't think that he has that kind of capacity to look beyond his perceived grievances. It seems that Meghan couldn't work out what was going on either.

I genuinely don’t think he did . As has been said before , Diana was determined that both boys should be treated the same which actually did Harry no favours preparing him for his future role in the hierarchy.
Before he met Meghan he was frequently with W and C so saw himself on an equal footing then when he married he ( and she) seem to have thought they would be the bright new stars or at least equal in status .
That didn’t happen and the rest , as they say , is history.

@Mylovelygreendress I think that's right. I think it probably started off with Diana insisting they be treated equally, and then after her death, I suspect lots of allowances were made and there was a lot of overcompensating to make up for the tragedy he'd suffered. And of course he was clearly very traumatised and damaged by the experience, so I'm sure they wrapped him in cotton wool.

In normal circumstances I expect there would have been a few more expectations set and maybe a few more firm boundaries put in place, and perhaps that might have helped. That said personality clearly plays a big part - just look at the difference between Prince Andrew and Edward.

Also, most people would be able to work out if they're the heir to the throne or not.
Something clearly bypassing Harry.

IsoldeWagner · Today 06:57
He'll never pay the taxpayer back! He'll soak us for whatever he can get.

This is what I fear. I'll be so cross if it happens.

I don't mind paying for the RF - they give good value as far as I'm concerned. But I'm not happy to pay for a multi-millionaire who lives in America to ponce about in motorcades whenever he fancies.

He clearly thought the late Queen would bow to his demands . Must have been a hell of a shock to be told no.

He definitely has a problem with the word No.
I have a friend who works at one of the Royal residences. She's an extremely discreet person but one incident with Harry made her so furious she had to vent.
I wish I could share it but I can't.
I can say it involved massive entitlement, total disregard and lack of concern for the general public, a refusal to accept the word No followed by a massive toddler tantrum when he still didn't get his way.

I think it was early in the engagement and he was trying to impress Meghan, but she wasn't the instigator.

As has been said before , Diana was determined that both boys should be treated the same

But he got the smallest bedroom and one less sausage.

Diana also used to insist on queuing with the crowds at Thorpe Park or wherever to teach them not to expect privileged treatment. Doesn't seem to have worked over all.

www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-harry-uk-home-friends-meghan-markle-royal-news

"Prince Harry is searching for a UK base as his friends do not visit him in the US due to rifts with Meghan Markle, a royal commentator has claimed.
The Duke of Sussex wants to find a home in the UK after being evicted from his royal residence Frogmore Cottage last year."

"Harry is determined to find his own permanent home in the UK, which is partly why he’s continuing his legal action to get the British taxpayer to pay for his security."

It's a problem if this is true. A home within a Royal park/estate has a degree of security built in.

He clearly thought the late Queen would bow to his demands . Must have been a hell of a shock to be told no.

He can't have understood the Queen at all, if he thought she would just roll over and agree to whatever he wanted.

Good analysis, yes that is how I read it too.

fingers crossed

Unbelievable that the son of a head of state with a high profile himself internationally is not afforded the same ‘risk analysis’ as others by Ravec. The person who made this decision in the first place made a huge boo boo.

This is the link to the actual judgement (see below).

Although the carefully reasoned judgment of Sir Peter Lane may prove to be correct in all respects, I am persuaded, not without hesitation, that an appeal on Ground 1 would have a real prospect of success.

'Real prospect of success' is legalese for 'possible' (as opposed to 'impossible'). It it does not mean 'likely'.

What even is 'Ground 1'? Does anyone know?

What's going on with Ground 2??

Grounds 3 and 4 were 'not at all persuasive'. Ground 5 (within Para 4, about costs) was 'hopeless'.

Para 5: request unjustified - get in the queue with everyone else.

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-duke-of-sussex-v-sshd/

Here's hoping he leaves the US for good! Maybe that visa case isnt going well...

I admire your fortitude but everyone bothering knows that the language used was covered days ago. TallerSally’s “explanation” of it was not valid.

I think unfortunately he belongs here. The land of Florida Man. The place where everyone wins a prize! 🏆🏆🏆

@BemusedAmerican I mean, Hunter Biden. You can sleep with your dead brother’s wife and rave in a biography about doing crack and still be taken seriously. Harry is brilliant compared to that, no?

He gets taxpayer protection. Assessed for his needs. That is enough.

Great minds, I was thinking at the weekend when we were discussing this that the Taliban might have decided that the best retaliation is to have him looking over his shoulder and fearing for his life (allegedly) for the rest of it.