Porkies, Perfidies & Pomposity - Harry and Meghan thread 2

[YaMuvva]

I do not take credit for the title

First thread here

Shall we continue the discussion? I will not be engaging with the posters spouting damaging and unfounded gossip

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5084429-why-do-harry-and-meghan-tell-porkies-that-are-so-easy-to-prove-wrong?page=1

Quite. It is said that Harry is looking for a home in the UK. A rogue Meghan if that ever happened, god forbid would make even more from her version of 'Spare' one would have thought. I do hope not, they always looks so happy together but the vile onslaught of hatred on them both must be taking it's toll. Militant Royalists like Bowyer would be screaming "no mercy" if he came back and I can't see Camilla being too happy if he was back working for the Firm.

There’s no way back for Harry. He’s not stable, trustworthy or remotely repentant for the toxicity that he has created as far as the public are concerned so his reputation is beyond rehabilitation.
Their hate campaign has bitten them in the bum and they don’t like it. People are now seeing how Machiavelli both of them are. If you don’t want to get dirty, don’t play in the gutter.

TheFirmBiscuit
Militant Royalists

This has conjured up a hilarious image in my mind of Molotov-cocktail-chucking royalists on The Mall.

More seriously, I agree with MummyJ12 that there's just no possible way back for Harry. He's done untold damage to his family and apart from that, he would never be trusted in an official role again. Can you imagine, after what he's done over the last few years, MI6 or similar allowing him access to state secrets, or just any responsible role where judgement and discretion have to be taken for granted?

I hope he and M do manage to stick together, because otherwise I see a sad future for him either in the US or back here. I don't think he'd (be able to) leave the US, even if he was pining for his old life because I'm sure the children will stay there.

Well if he did come back that would be for the King to decide as both "the King" and his father not the chatterati on social media forums.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a61083499/prince-harry-permanent-home-england/

@TheFirmBiscuit pretty sure Camilla and William would have input to any discussions !

Well if he did come back that would be for the King to decide as both "the King" and his father not the chatterati on social media forums.

No, I don't think it would. Charles, if feeling particularly sentimental, might try to re-build some kind of personal relationship with Harry, but he wouldn't be allowed an official role or to return to his former status and duties - national security would be at risk. He's proved he'll sell any confidential info for dollars. But even a personal relationship might not be advisable - unless someone's going to frisk him for mics each time, or there are lawyers and witnesses present.

Don't see W or C agreeing to be in a room with him again, never mind forgiving him. His best hope is his Spencer relations. If I were him, that's what I'd focus on.

CremeFresh · 30/05/2024 19:24

Yes - has ARO completely stalled? Anyone know? I thought it was supposed to be up and running by now.

The Archbishop of Canterbury majors on forgiveness and reconciliation and the Prodigal Son. I wonder why ? Anyway like others have said I sincerely hope it isn't crash and burn time for Harry again. It would just be so sad on so many levels.

Completely agree @CoffeeCantata. Having some kind of personal relationship with his son is completely different to having him back in the firm.
I wouldn’t blame William if he never spoke to Harry again. A thread on here would recommend NC overwhelmingly following Harry’s behaviour. It will be interesting as to what steps that William takes when he becomes King, but he will most certainly be in a more acceptable position (in that of a brother rather than father) to take action on severing ties completely.

Well in your scenario you have a rogue Harry living in the UK as a major celebrity with a rival following to the main Royal Family and needing to earn a living. "Bonnie Prince Harry" as it were. It would have to be an Andrew solution but without legal jeopardy or the fallout could be considerable.

Well in your scenario you have a rogue Harry living in the UK as a major celebrity with a rival following to the main Royal Family and needing to earn a living. "Bonnie Prince Harry" as it were. It would have to be an Andrew solution but without legal jeopardy or the fallout could be considerable.

Ooh - I think you're over-estimating his popularity, especially in the UK. * *We;re not talking about the fun Harry-the-lad, from pre-Meghan days, are we? And this persona we now realise was probably a construct of the Buckingham Palace PR folk.

Most people are either heartily sick of the privileged whinger, or find his treachery and lies about his family highly distasteful.

No I think you have misunderstood the nature of his celebrity - Harry will be very popular amongst young folks , a bit of a rock star - with no dount heartfelt charity work and a good PR company. The tabloids will be following his every move , new girlfriends etc with great interest. He would be rocking the joint. He would probably be at Glastonbury next week like he was in the past hobnobbing with celebs. If he does come back to the UK it's the BRF's worst nightmare. Most people don't have a dog in this race - they just like what they like.

has ARO completely stalled? Anyone know? I thought it was supposed to be up and running by now

I'm not sure that there is any way to know, @CoffeeCantata, since there've been no further announcements

Most likely it'll go down as yet another thing started for the PR headlines then not followed up on. I'd say the dwindling number of fans will continue to use it to back the silly claim of Meghan being an entrepreneur, but with ARO in particular that might just invite comment on how little's been seen

this persona we now realise was probably a construct of the Buckingham Palace PR folk

Edited to this is almost certainly true, but good luck convincing those Twitter/Insta/Tiktok/other crap fans whose critical thinking sometimes doesn't extend beyond what's on their screen right then

I really don’t see young people giving a shit about Harry. He’s no longer ‘young’, he has no talent or relevance and as a PP pointed out we now know the cheeky chappy persona was a cultivated lie to cover the fact he’s a bit of a twat. I think young people look for more aspirational people than him to follow.

He will be like Katie Hopkins - only relevant because people love to hate him

Harry is a middle aged man 😂 I very much doubt many youngsters know very much about him. 😂😂😂

Young people aren’t stupid, being notorious isn’t the same as being popular and I think that this may be starting to dawn on both Harry and Meghan. They get the clicks but are not influential in the slightest because people don’t like them.

No I think you have misunderstood the nature of his celebrity - Harry will be very popular amongst young folks , a bit of a rock star - with no dount heartfelt charity work and a good PR company.

I don't think he'd appeal to young people either! He's not young - he's middle-aged, highly privileged, none-to-bright and frankly, I don't think the PR company has been set up that can turn around his image in the UK. M & H don't seem to be able to manage their PR in the US, do they? Apart from anything else - they can't seem to keep the staff.

And he's not even attractive - and I only say that reluctantly because I hate all this stuff about people's physical appearance, but in the real world he'd need to be to be a celebrity.

But if he's not a royal prince and doing 'princing', then what on earth is Harry's USP? Absolutely bleedin' nothing! He's not young, clever, talented or particularly handsome in celeb terms. Why would youngsters like him???🤔

He will be like Katie Hopkins - only relevant because people love to hate him.

This!

That's exactly my thought.

@TheFirmBiscuit I think your participation in forums like this and your dedication to the cause makes you think that many people in the UK are interested in Harry. They really are not. It's history. Life has moved on. People are more interested in how a new Government will work for them rather than a fool's antics.

Harry would be totally screwed with his children if he was back in the UK, he’s basically told the US lawyers that the UK is not a safe place for them. Words have consequences. Even if allowed royal duties it would still need the 50/50 as he’d need to remain in the states. I don’t see them splitting, well I am certainly hoping they don’t.

Harry would be rocking the joint with the young folks?

Just like his uncle.

He keeps dodgy company just like his uncle!

I don’t see them splitting, well I am certainly hoping they don’t.

I don't like M & H and what they've done, but I totally agree with this. I feel sorry enough for their children being cut off from so much family without their parents splitting. I hope they can keep things together for their children's sake.

I just don't see any real chance of reconciliation with the RF (esp when KC passes on) and my crystal ball sees Harry either permanently in the States, feeling homesick, or spending increasing time over in the UK as a private capacity as a rather sad and irrelevant has-been. I'm sure the children will always be US-based, whatever he wants for them.

Nothing keeping him from buying an apartment in a high security building in London.

I agree that young people have no interest in Harry. He's old and irrelevant. Definitely a niche interest.