Porkies, Perfidies & Pomposity - Harry and Meghan thread 2

[YaMuvva]

I do not take credit for the title

First thread here

Shall we continue the discussion? I will not be engaging with the posters spouting damaging and unfounded gossip

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5084429-why-do-harry-and-meghan-tell-porkies-that-are-so-easy-to-prove-wrong?page=1

I agree with you, you rigid historian, you

😂

Yes it’s a deliberate attempt to fill up and digress from a thread.

I became suspicious about motives with the “what about me” and then the half in half out. I still don’t mind Meghan it’s Harry I have a problem with. In the Oprah interview all roads went back to Harry. Even the racism allegations came from a conversation (apparently) that Harry said nothing about his part in. He has a habit of that, describing others actions but rarely his own involvement.

Harry did say that the reputation William had for being lazy was very unfair. He said William was a very hard worker.

Coming from the man who works an hour a week 😆

Anyway. I'm team porkie on that one. W's had a reputation for ducking the royal coalface for donkey's.

There seems to have been something released on AFP fact check. More in the form of clarification that she didn’t directly criticise how Meghan dressed, which she didn’t. She was very clever not to directly do this, however, she wasn’t exactly showering Meghan with praise in that speech and didn’t address her by any title, leaving the listener with an impression that the First Lady did not approve. Especially when she said “why did Meghan come here looking for Africa?” After being very critical of how some women dress and their nakedness.
The majority of people therefore, understandably believe that this was a pointed speech.

The question is, has the First Lady been pressurised and bullied into making a statement (only slightly back peddling) because of the trolls attacking her and her daughter relentlessly since?

Regardless, the majority of people have interpreted her The First Lady’s speech as they did because of her words and how she said them, and she had a valid point. Everyone but the sycophants thought Meghan didn’t dress appropriately. Beautifully, at times, yes, but not appropriately.

I was a bit puzzled when Harry released the bossy “World: leave my girlfriend alone stop harassing her!!!” Statement. I didn’t even know he had a girlfriend and I follow royal news. But I thought it was a bit ‘out there’ for a royal who people aren’t that interested in since the Wales children were being churned out. I didn’t suspect him to be a liar, but a drama llama.

O didn’t really listen to gossip around the wedding as the same piffle was peddled for W&K’s wedding. But the SA “No one is asking me if I’m OK” REALLY bad my red flag flying. It was very odd and insensitive

The racism allegations which were back tracked on.
The trapped at home for weeks because they confiscated her passport.
No help available for her ideation of suicide.
So many. Too many.

The biggest lie? That they are philanthropists and social justice warriors.

The engagement interview and wedding didn't ring alarm bell for me - thought she was just unlucky with her family.

The interview in Africa where she moan not one was asking if she was okay came across as tone deaf. The Oprah was eye opening the number of easily provable lies in it - no one came across well - I think Oprah should have probed more.

Didn't quite realise what a liar he was till spare - easily checkable facts not checked because didn't fit his narrative - the spite in it. The palace PR people must be very good at their jobs.

I also don’t believe that they don’t check SM.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a21071538/meghan-markle-prince-harry-kids-royal-titles/
Omid Scobie announced that Archie wouldn't have a title "to give him as normal a life as possible" ... that aged well!.

They didn't help Scobie with Finding Freedom..

I forgot about the South Africa interview. It didn't make me think liar but it did seem very self involved and tone deaf.

YaMuvva

I was a bit puzzled when Harry released the bossy “World: leave my girlfriend alone stop harassing her!!!” Statement.

I thought that too. Because Meghan had publicised their romance by wearing the M and H initals necklace, putting spooning bananas on Instagram...
I thought she seemed to want make their relationship public.
I'm probably wrong, but I thought she was pushing herself forward as Harry's girlfriend and encouraged him to make that statement to make them more obvious as an item.

harry also lied to Meghan about the security and probably about money from Charles and clearly didn’t explain the ins and outs of what she signed up for. I honestly believe Meghan thought Harry was richer and she would have more control over her own income and wealth. Most things given are actually leased and can be easily taken away. You can live in luxury for a lifetime but especially for Harry’s children more than William’s that doesn’t necessarily extend generations. The thread about Andrew unable to afford maintenance or the rumours of the Queen bailing him out and for a time Fergie as rent a royal, that while they are rich there is no mega wealth.

Well yeah probably that is what happened. My response was: He had a girlfriend. Cool. I didn't really pay any attention to her until they got engaged. Didn't know she was mixed race, didn't know what show she was in. Nothing. Boy I learned fast.

I agree. I don't think he explained things at all. Or she didn't hear. She thought it was Hallmark fantasy. I think being royal or royal adjacent does help. Look at Bea and Eug's current living arrangements. Also Zara and Peter. However, you need to behave or at least not embarass the family.

Andrew has issues because they want him out of that house probably to give it to William and Catherine. If not now, than in the future. I can see them staying in Windsor even as time goes on.

Frogmore Cottage is a big house. I've seen it. Perfect place for him to live. I mean he doesn't need that house anymore anyway. Kids are grown. They can still come to Frogmore Cottage. Eugenie was living there at one stage.

What Meghan didn't get is that it isn't an unlimited pot. That they couldn't live in Windsor...although offered Kensington property. That their house wouldn't be as big as Amner. That being royal isn't a money tree. That you do the jobs you are given. That you don't talk about yourself because its about the people you represent. But W and C live now in a house smaller than Frogmore Cottage. So you know.

I too think Harry gussied up his life for Meghan and what was in store for them.

She’d have had her expectations from her RF following and he undoubtedly either let her think she was right and/or filled her head with puff. (And his lungs)

She probably thought it would be like The Apprentice and that she and H would end up ousting the Wales family.

If I were her I’d be fuming that I had believed him and also fuming that he was a lying arse.

She bought a princely pig in a poke.

Cross post aurora

Stealth deceptions by ommission:

Failing to disclose that the trumpeted £2.4m Frogmore refurb payment also included eighteen month's 'rent' without increasing.

Further failing to disclose that not only was eighteen month's 'rent' included all further rental obligations were discharged.

These manipulations saved Harold hundreds of thousands of pounds, reduced Crown Estate profits and hence deprived the public purse of its rightful share of those profits.

Oprah interview for me too, up to that point, I had so much sympathy for her with her toxic family and her dad bailing on walking her down the aisle, I thought the engagement interview was adorable, while I did think the S. Africa interview had a few bloopers, ' not many have asked how I am', 'you have to thrive, not just survive, right!' I did think she was probably in the throes of postnatal depression in that interview and felt so sorry for her.

I did think they were a bit petty with all the hoo ha about the first baby photo and not releasing the names of the godparents. I thought their statement about leaving came across as bitter, but I still thought good on them for leaving to start a new life abroad. I was one of the ones posting on here in support of them at that time.

But after the Oprah interview, I totally revised my view of them and saw them as the bitter, inauthentic couple they really are, it was illuminating to see them on Oprah and then look back at all the other interviews they did and realise how manipulative and fake they were. I do think Oprah was the turning point in their slide into becoming the most disliked Royals (and celebrities) of their time.

Then it was one realisation after the other, the letter sent to her father in the hope he would leak it and when he didn't do that, her friends orchestrated it so he fell into the trap, and on and on it went, constant proof of how nasty and manipulative and antagonistic they are.

I was telling the LOL merchant that it wasn't Princess Kate or Duchess Meghan probably last year when I assumed it was ignorance (rather than be as bloody irritating as possible to disrupt threads).

“No one asks me if I’m ok” was a moment where I thought Meghan was a little tone deaf. But I really felt for her.

I thought it made sense for them to leave but never imagined it would be so extreme. I’d think many people would love to have a California/London life.

”Everyone can live a life of service” was when it became clear that they are just not respectful people. It’s turned out as expected that no, everyone does not understand the meaning of serving others or have the fortitude for it.

Aye. 👏🏽