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Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 15:44

Starting with the porkie that Archie wasn’t gonna be titled. Anyone who understands the Letters Patent would know that as long as the Queen was alive this was never gonna happen. I said this when watching the Oprah interview and I’m pretty appalled they told such an easily provable lie.

Then Harry said that daddy cut his security off. Anyone who knows about RAVEC knows it is independent of the Royal Family and Charles couldn’t do this if he tried. Same with “Only titled people get security” / this was so easy to prove wrong.

And why are there 2 versions of the proposal story. Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

The same with the ‘how they met’ story - in their engagement interview they said it was a blind date, to Netflix they met on Instagram.

I also was puzzled at her saying she never wore bright colours and that royal women could never wear the same colour as the Queen. It’s just nonsense. See below pictures.

Why do they do this? My theory is that everything they do now is for an American audience who are used to the reality TV narrative of “Some scenes have been created for entertainment” style TV and just accept their narrative as partly fictional, as long as it’s entertaining?

Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
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CremeFresh · 29/05/2024 22:05

smilesy · 29/05/2024 21:56

What (and where) was the gravestone that Meghan was allegedly cuddling then 🤔

Hmmm . I've also wondered how they got her very heavy lead lined coffin onto the island, a small rowing boat would have sunk surely.

hoteltango · 29/05/2024 22:09

CremeFresh · 29/05/2024 22:05

Hmmm . I've also wondered how they got her very heavy lead lined coffin onto the island, a small rowing boat would have sunk surely.

According to "Spare", military engineers erected a temporary iron bridge to the island.

BemusedAmerican · 29/05/2024 22:44

@IsoldeWagner Meghan was thrown by the multiple Pizza Express boxes that Andrew was holding. 😁

Nowdontmakeamess · 29/05/2024 22:56

Lassi · 29/05/2024 19:41

Do you not realise the vile Giles Coren made up the Rose rumours? Why are you perpetuating lies about a man who wife has cancer? It’s cruel.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-wild-weekend-in-amsterdam

Also funny coincidence that Coren met Markle not long before he tweeted the rumour, right when things were getting difficult between H&M/W&C

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s Wild Weekend in Amsterdam

Harry and Meghan hit a two-night party to celebrate the opening of the Dutch branch of Soho House, but the trip has reopened the debate about royals accepting freebies.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-wild-weekend-in-amsterdam

StaunchMomma · 29/05/2024 23:09

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 20:51

Source?

I wish I could remember her name but she was on the panel on Jeremy Vie last year - former journo. Not on often.

She said it was an open secret that their (Camilla's & Will/Kate's) press officers moved into Fleet Street for a period as the stories being fed re Megan were nigh constant.

DingDingaling · 29/05/2024 23:21

IsoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 10:10

Don't get personal
No need.
This is a problem, isn't it? Argue with the discussion points but juvenile put downs are not necessary or helpful.

It was a statement. I refrained from name calling. Calling someone juvenile scuppers your point. As I said, if you can’t see it you can’t be helped.

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 23:22

StaunchMomma · 29/05/2024 23:09

I wish I could remember her name but she was on the panel on Jeremy Vie last year - former journo. Not on often.

She said it was an open secret that their (Camilla's & Will/Kate's) press officers moved into Fleet Street for a period as the stories being fed re Megan were nigh constant.

Even though Fleet Street was closed down to journalist before Harry and Meghan even met?

Ive tried Googling your claim. I can’t find a thing. If I can’t find it I tend to think of whoever has made the claim has misunderstood

Furthermore, being someone who now works in a press office, it would be utterly nonsensical to make this move. Totally counterproductive and would add to their workload

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AliceOlive · 29/05/2024 23:31

DingDingaling · 29/05/2024 23:21

It was a statement. I refrained from name calling. Calling someone juvenile scuppers your point. As I said, if you can’t see it you can’t be helped.

I guess 3/4ths of the population can’t be helped based on that YouGov poll above.

DingDingaling · 29/05/2024 23:52

“In response, more than 240 reporters and editors self-identifying as “journalists of color” issued their own letter, asserting that Meghan’s revelations of discriminatory treatment “reflect the depressingly familiar reality of how people from Black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds are portrayed by the U.K. press on a daily basis.”
Those journalists said the claim by the Society of Editors that Meghan and Harry failed to provide “supporting evidence” shows a “willful ignorance of not just the discriminatory treatment of Meghan — some of which was highlighted during the interview — but that of other people from an ethnic minority background.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/meghan-tabloids-harry-racist-/2021/03/10/a8777384-818d-11eb-be22-32d331d87530_story.html

London
CNN Business

When British newspapers first broke the news of Prince Harry’s relationship with Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, one Mail Online headline declared that she was “(almost) straight outta Compton.” Around the same time, The Daily Star ran a headline asking whether Harry would “marry into gangster royalty?””

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/08/media/uk-media-meghan-race-diversity/index.html

“I couldn’t agree more with Prince Harry’s comment in the Netflix documentary series Harry & Meghan that unlearning racism is a lifelong journey. As a 50-year-old provincial white man, I only hope I live long enough. Nels Abbey (A white lens sees Harry and Meghan as villains – through a Black one, they’ve done Britain a favour, 9 December) is right that Britain needs the catharsis of a serious discussion about racism and our colonial history.
Just as the US has yet to come to terms with the horrors of native American genocide and slavery, the UK has never addressed its role as a builder of the slave trade and brutal conqueror of a hundred or more nations. I love my country, but that love is tainted with the myth of a noble imperial history taught with equal enthusiasm by family, school and jingoistic media that reflect society only too well.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/13/harry-and-meghan-are-right-about-racist-britain-in-their-netflix-series

“A year before Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s engagement, the sixth heir to the British throne took the "extraordinary" step of issuing a statement in 2016 in which he slammed the British press for the “racial undertone” of their coverage and for the “degree of pressure, scrutiny and harassment” from the media.
The letter sought to reign in the media frenzy around the relationship, and reflects the ongoing tension between the royal family and the press. Unabated, the tabloids pressed on with their coverage even after Harry’s statement, taking aim at anything Markle: from the successful American small-screen star’s hometown to her father's weight, all arguably deeply-rooted in the racial undertones Harry referenced.
Markle, who is bi-racial, is the first non-white person to marry into the British monarchy, symbolising an important evolution for the royal family, who face questions on their relevance and history.
This lends Markle a notable place in the modern media landscape, which first heralded Harry's mother Princess Diana as "Queen of people's hearts" before hounding her to death after her divorce from Prince Charles.
Markle’s marriage has lifted the lid on an uneasy acceptance of race and diversity in the UK, particularly amongst conservatives. Headlines that focused on racial stereotypes and dog-whistle racism became common.”

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/meghan-markle-headlines-in-uk-tabloids-a-lesson-in-british-racism-17669

Prince Harry attacks press over 'wave of abuse' of girlfriend Meghan Markle

Royal condemns ‘racial undertones’ in media reports as palace sources reveal he feared for safety of actor and her family

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/08/prince-harry-lambasts-press-over-meghan-markle-coverage

DingDingaling · 30/05/2024 00:10

“Scobie speculates “schadenfreude” from Charles, when pictures of William and Kate’s tour of the Caribbean – the couple dressed in white, in an open-top Land Rover, looking like Mr and Mrs Coloniser about to address the mine shaft – landed badly. But these hints of a brewing crisis, whether speculative or evidenced, are supplementary: the crisis is obvious, and has been since Megxit (if we’re really calling it that). It’s much larger than a family estrangement, and remaining estranged – or making up, for that matter – won’t fix it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/29/royals-dismiss-harry-meghan-racism-omid-scobie

The royals may easily dismiss Harry and Meghan, but these charges of racism will linger for ever | Zoe Williams

Look past the sniping and family rivalries, and a new book from biographer Omid Scobie paints a deeply disturbing picture, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/29/royals-dismiss-harry-meghan-racism-omid-scobie

Blueroses99 · 30/05/2024 00:11

BalloonSlayer · 29/05/2024 21:42

Another shot turned out to be press chasing Katie Price at one of her appearances at Crawley Court (West Sussex).

I genuinely think a researcher had googled "press photographers Harry" followed by "press photographers Sussex."

That would certainly explain why those particular images were used 😂

Wickedlywearynamechanged · 30/05/2024 00:15

@willWillSmithsmith and whoever else is passing this made up story on. The ‘royal chefs’ did not make the cake.

so this is an example of one of the many made up stories that’s being passed around the internet, (as truth) , to denigrate a woman.

https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/490409/meghan-markle-wedding-cake-maker-claire-ptak-discusses-cool-bride/

The cake maker said Meghan was very laid back.

Meghan Markle's wedding cake maker discusses 'cool' bride behind-the-scenes

Claire Ptak made the royal's lemon and elderflower wedding cake

https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/490409/meghan-markle-wedding-cake-maker-claire-ptak-discusses-cool-bride/

DingDingaling · 30/05/2024 00:18

“"The racist and discriminatory content of these messages is absolutely appalling and, given the defendants once served as police officers, we recognise that this case may further damage confidence in policing," said Commander James Harman, who leads the Metropolitan Police's Anti-Corruption and Abuse Command. The London force has been plagued by scandal in recent years and an independent review in March concluded it was institutionally racist, misogynistic and homophobic. Its new chief, Mark Rowley, has promised to rid it of unsuitable individuals among its more than 43,000 officers and staff.

The five men had all worked in various departments at the police but had all served in the Diplomatic Protection Group, which in the last year has seen one former member convicted of murder and rape, and another jailed for carrying out 24 rapes and other sex offences over two decades.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-officers-admit-sending-racist-messages-about-meghan-royals-2023-09-07/

AnnieSF · 30/05/2024 00:24

Are we back to all of this old stuff again? It's almost like it is a concerted effort to try to erase the more recent trip to Nigeria and the jam fiasco.

DingDingaling · 30/05/2024 00:30

“The fact is, we know exactly how the papers would report the news if Meghan had decided to come along. She’d be accused of wanting to steal the spotlight from her sister-in-law, the Princess of Wales, or her mother-in-law, Camilla, or of not fully understanding the scale of this royal tradition. On the day, her clothing choice would be deemed inappropriate; royal watchers would be called upon to explain how her shoes or her nail polish broke royal protocol. Her every facial expression would be policed.”

https://www.stylist.co.uk/people/meghan-markle-racist-bullying-tabloids-prince-harry-wardrobe-malfunction-duchess-difficult-examples/342213

The policing of Meghan is alive still…

A comprehensive list of all the s**t Meghan Markle has taken from the tabloids

When it comes to attending the Coronation, Meghan is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/people/meghan-markle-racist-bullying-tabloids-prince-harry-wardrobe-malfunction-duchess-difficult-examples/342213

AutumnCrow · 30/05/2024 00:31

That Zoe Williams at the Guardian is a 'writer' who always makes me think 'box of frogs' and 'friends in high places'. And that crap little 'column' that Adrian Chiles writes every week - the penny dropped when I learned that he's married to the editor.

The Guardian certainly isn't what it used to be. Now the Observer, on the other hand ... that's still solid.

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AnnieSF · 30/05/2024 00:35

More of the old stuff and not entirely accurate.

AnnieSF · 30/05/2024 00:36

@Italianita ah the lies that were told? Yes I guess so...

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Wickedlywearynamechanged · 30/05/2024 00:44

The policing of Meghan is alive still…

Yep. It’s particularly depressing when you see women policing another woman.

Soulla · 30/05/2024 00:44

DingDingaling · 29/05/2024 23:52

“In response, more than 240 reporters and editors self-identifying as “journalists of color” issued their own letter, asserting that Meghan’s revelations of discriminatory treatment “reflect the depressingly familiar reality of how people from Black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds are portrayed by the U.K. press on a daily basis.”
Those journalists said the claim by the Society of Editors that Meghan and Harry failed to provide “supporting evidence” shows a “willful ignorance of not just the discriminatory treatment of Meghan — some of which was highlighted during the interview — but that of other people from an ethnic minority background.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/meghan-tabloids-harry-racist-/2021/03/10/a8777384-818d-11eb-be22-32d331d87530_story.html

London
CNN Business

When British newspapers first broke the news of Prince Harry’s relationship with Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, one Mail Online headline declared that she was “(almost) straight outta Compton.” Around the same time, The Daily Star ran a headline asking whether Harry would “marry into gangster royalty?””

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/08/media/uk-media-meghan-race-diversity/index.html

“I couldn’t agree more with Prince Harry’s comment in the Netflix documentary series Harry & Meghan that unlearning racism is a lifelong journey. As a 50-year-old provincial white man, I only hope I live long enough. Nels Abbey (A white lens sees Harry and Meghan as villains – through a Black one, they’ve done Britain a favour, 9 December) is right that Britain needs the catharsis of a serious discussion about racism and our colonial history.
Just as the US has yet to come to terms with the horrors of native American genocide and slavery, the UK has never addressed its role as a builder of the slave trade and brutal conqueror of a hundred or more nations. I love my country, but that love is tainted with the myth of a noble imperial history taught with equal enthusiasm by family, school and jingoistic media that reflect society only too well.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/13/harry-and-meghan-are-right-about-racist-britain-in-their-netflix-series

“A year before Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s engagement, the sixth heir to the British throne took the "extraordinary" step of issuing a statement in 2016 in which he slammed the British press for the “racial undertone” of their coverage and for the “degree of pressure, scrutiny and harassment” from the media.
The letter sought to reign in the media frenzy around the relationship, and reflects the ongoing tension between the royal family and the press. Unabated, the tabloids pressed on with their coverage even after Harry’s statement, taking aim at anything Markle: from the successful American small-screen star’s hometown to her father's weight, all arguably deeply-rooted in the racial undertones Harry referenced.
Markle, who is bi-racial, is the first non-white person to marry into the British monarchy, symbolising an important evolution for the royal family, who face questions on their relevance and history.
This lends Markle a notable place in the modern media landscape, which first heralded Harry's mother Princess Diana as "Queen of people's hearts" before hounding her to death after her divorce from Prince Charles.
Markle’s marriage has lifted the lid on an uneasy acceptance of race and diversity in the UK, particularly amongst conservatives. Headlines that focused on racial stereotypes and dog-whistle racism became common.”

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/meghan-markle-headlines-in-uk-tabloids-a-lesson-in-british-racism-17669

Racism exists, no-one can argue that it doesn't.

The letter responding to the Society of Authors was written following the Oprah interview in which news headlines were cynically manipulated to give the impression of widespread racism in the UK media.

One example was of a story slamming the girlfriend of a UKIP member who had said Meghan will 'taint' the royal family. The article was expressing outrage at her views and yet in Oprah the headline was obscured to make it seem as if the woman's bigotry was being quoted without comment.

There were further examples. Such was the outcry that members of the press requested a correction from Oprah's team but were ignored. Whipping up division does nothing to help the fight against racism, quite the opposite.

You mention the 'straight outta Compton' article which has already been debunked as the work of two LA journalists. And yet it keeps coming back, like the zombie article that it is.

Another episode that's usually relied upon is the Danny Baker tweet. If you're not aware of UK comedy culture the use of chimps dressed in human clothes is a frequent feature, we even had them advertising tea for years.

Danny Baker was a longstanding DJ at the BBC and there is no record of anyone thinking he is racist for all the years he worked there. You'd think someone would have noticed..?. I find it absurd to think he would choose that moment to reveal himself to be a closet racist knowing he would certainly lose his job and reputation.

Moreover, Danny was a well known contributor to a comedy forum where a famous figure was chosen every week to be imagined as dressed as a chimp and made fun of. The image of a baby chimp for royalty was a comment on the circus surrounding such events. Many of us can't bear the whole hoopla and find it ridiculous.
Again, Danny's tweet is a zombie tweet refusing to die and dragged out to 'prove' something even though it was online for all of 8 minutes before he realised that his intention had been misunderstood. It was rightly removed but he didn't deserve what followed.
https://medium.com/the-cult-of-stupid/in-defence-of-danny-baker-143a3bc339c0

I too can link to numerous articles describing a far more nuanced view of the UK. than you present here. The idea that we are somehow behind the US when it comes to recognising our colonial past is just nonsense. What do you think the Commonwealth is for? It is committed t the process of decolonialisation and a more equal world for all it's members. Charles is the Head of State in 14 countries out of the over 50 that are members. The RF are fully behind all countries moving to independence.

Looking back at the articles written in support of Markle, I wonder how many would change their minds now? Markle has weaponised race in a manner that is as cynical as it is self-serving. She didn't even know we have a Black History Month in the UK despite a college asking her to get involved. She wasn't interested, it didn't fit with her victimised persona. She had no interest in learning about the different communities in the UK. The royals had hoped she would be a positive role model especially in the Commonwealth but Markle didn't want to represent the UK, she only represented herself.
We can recognise the problem of racism but that doesn't make the accuser beyond reproach, as much as she would have liked to have been.

Racism, mental health, sexual aggression, these are the shibboleths that are used by bad actors like Markle to close down criticism and claim the higher moral ground.

I supported her at first and like many thought that. yes, it was a good expression of multiracial UK (a country by the way that has the highest number of mixed marriages of anywhere in Europe, she wasn't anything 'new') but when I saw how dishonest and lacking in integrity she was I changed my mind.

Right message, wrong messenger.

In Defence of Danny Baker

Long ago, I used to read a magazine called Word, which was a brilliant music mag, run by David Hepworth and Mark Ellen. I even got a letter…

https://medium.com/the-cult-of-stupid/in-defence-of-danny-baker-143a3bc339c0

AnnieSF · 30/05/2024 00:49

Wickedlywearynamechanged · 30/05/2024 00:44

The policing of Meghan is alive still…

Yep. It’s particularly depressing when you see women policing another woman.

Are you saying that because you are the same sex as someone you are not allowed to criticise or comment ? If you are the same colour or religion as someone ditto? That sounds a weak and unrealistic argument to me.

YaMuvva · 30/05/2024 00:53

Wickedlywearynamechanged · 30/05/2024 00:44

The policing of Meghan is alive still…

Yep. It’s particularly depressing when you see women policing another woman.

So because I’m a woman I can never make a constructive and fair criticism of another woman?
Thats basically the opposite of feminism

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