Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?

[YaMuvva]

Starting with the porkie that Archie wasn’t gonna be titled. Anyone who understands the Letters Patent would know that as long as the Queen was alive this was never gonna happen. I said this when watching the Oprah interview and I’m pretty appalled they told such an easily provable lie.

Then Harry said that daddy cut his security off. Anyone who knows about RAVEC knows it is independent of the Royal Family and Charles couldn’t do this if he tried. Same with “Only titled people get security” / this was so easy to prove wrong.

And why are there 2 versions of the proposal story. Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

The same with the ‘how they met’ story - in their engagement interview they said it was a blind date, to Netflix they met on Instagram.

I also was puzzled at her saying she never wore bright colours and that royal women could never wear the same colour as the Queen. It’s just nonsense. See below pictures.

Why do they do this? My theory is that everything they do now is for an American audience who are used to the reality TV narrative of “Some scenes have been created for entertainment” style TV and just accept their narrative as partly fictional, as long as it’s entertaining?

these things might all be tedious and boring but they have substance - they are recounting actual events

Or her version of them perhaps?

I agree there's nothing about "life work", only silly passing anecdotes, but frankly it's got to the point where if either said it's raining I'd look outside to check - which unfortunately is what happens if folk lie and lie again

Meh, recollections may vary.
This isn't just truth, it's their truth.

She's American, where money rather than an ancient class system is the important thing. She had no idea of the rules at play, and no desire to learn them from the advisors that were provided for her as she (mistakenly) thought that they were guidelines rather than laws.
Meanwhile Harry nice but dim has grown up completely unaware of his privilege and just how coddled his life has been. 'Oh the flag is up so Granny is here for lunch. You do know how to curtesy don't you?', rather than giving her a quick précis of what was about to happen or texting Katherine to meet them at the door and clue Meghan in on how she needed to behave.
She wasn't trained on how to behave or how to handle formal occasions. He was smitten and believed that everything she said was golden truth, when likely it was the opinions of someone who didn't understand the system and only saw the inequalities rather than the advantages.
If she'd gone into the Oprah interview and said 'The build up to the wedding was so stressful, and I was dreading being on display with millions of people waiting for me to do the wrong thing, but we met with the Archbishop of Canterbury in the garden on the day before the actual ceremony to go through our vows, and I have to say that for me, saying those vows to each other in the garden, looking into Harry's eyes, felt more like a real wedding to me than the formal ceremony.' then we'd have understood how she felt: as it was she was so determined that her truth is THE truth that it came out as a ridiculous lie.

Not malicious, just a bit stupid. Which is how I think they got into this pickle in the first place.

Maybe one day she'll learn how to do it convincingly then.

They really are fascinating.

It's an ongoing soap opera with two deeply flawed people, in a destructive realationship, part of a famous family, who just want more and more attention.

I find them utterly obnoxious but so compelling because of it.

I think about: imagine if social media had been around at the time of Wallis and Edward. That would have been compelling and scrutinised too.

H&M are so compelling because of their awfulness: the self congratulation, the whining, the viciousness whilst claiming 'compassion'. The selling themsleves as a brand and their family for $$.

If they just quietly lived selling jam, I wouldn't follow what they did.
But they just keep giving more stupidity & nastiness to marvel at.

She had no idea of the rules at play, and no desire to learn them from the advisors that were provided for her as she (mistakenly) thought that they were guidelines rather than laws

They are guidelines rather than laws, but if someone's marrying into such a family it would seem worthwhile to at least find out what's the norm instead of expecting everyone else to roll over and crying victim when they don't

However if I'm correct in believing that Harry was only ever an opportunity and that she had no intention of staying here there probably wasn't much point

I have skim read this thread, I am not a royalist, find the whole thing archaic and think that one of the ways we could grow up as a nation is to abolish it and let them all live in wealthy obscurity. What does mildly intrigue me is the bile, hatred and bitterness directed at Harry and Meghan. None of you know them, none of you, even if you have briefly met them have any true idea of what they are really like. All this endless viciousness is odd, how does what they do/don't do impact on your lives in any way.? Why the hate? Then there is the whole media industry of "royal experts", those self appointed gurus who pore over every little detail, verbal, non-verbal or sartorial and then spend hours pontificating on outlets like GB News. Imagine this country with no royals, the "experts" would have to find something else to do and the wider media would hopefully calm down.

@bellezarara I'm enjoying this thread. It's great fun. I'm really glad @YaMuvva started it

Yet here you are doing the same thing about people you don't know 😂

What qualifies you to say anyone is obsessed?

And, although I’m sure@YaMuvva is more than capable of answering themselves, they are ill in bed and off work. Hence the time to post.

Although to comment on anyone’s free time is weird in itself. None of your business.

Racism? 🥱

I see the “we don’t know” line being trotted out again to try and close down discussion, the way you write is exactly the same as a “stalwart” of these threads, that was their favourite line they used frequently on these threads to try and shut people down. FYI it won’t work no matter how many times you repeat it here.

Not as weird as sitting there and counting up a random stranger's posts, though, is it.

@Lifeomars - every time we get this. No, we don't know Harry and Meghan. Yes, we can form an opinion on their behaviour based on what they say and do.
I never knew Margaret Thatcher, I've got very firm opinions about her.

People seem to forget that Cinderella is, in fact, a fairy story and not real life. Disney strikes again 🙄😂

I'm not stalking her but caught her allotment theft threads in chat - where she mentions being in hospital and recovering so image it's that.

The crocodile thing just suggested to me they weren't spending much time with Archie - had similar with extended family who'd insist kids weren't talking even though people who saw them daily or weekly could understand them - then latch onto some later word as first word as they were around to hear it. They seem to both leave the kids a lot subsequently - even being away mothers day in USA for Nigerian trip.

I remember this too, not a Mail fan but occasionally pop onto their website as i like to see different perspectives on the news. The Kate stuff was vile, horrible about her family, especially her mother. The worst stuff was when she was pregnant and suffering from hyperemesis gravidarum, people posted nonsense about how they had just battled through pregnancy nausea (which is bad enough for most of us) and called her weak and lazy. No understanding of just how dangerous and debilitating this condition is. The way people respond to royalty, be it fawning and obsequious or vicious and cruel is infantilising for us a nation and just plain weird in this modern age. I also think it is bad for the royals too, what an odd world to inhabit, they could all live such lovely lives as private citizens.

Quite.

Im off work at the moment on bedrest, I have to occupy my time somehow.

but I think this is the first H&M thread I’ve ever started (Happy to be proven wrong)

Genuine question: can a POC never ever be criticised because it’s always racism?

I too have firm opinions on Thatcher as her policies had a directly negative impact on mine and many other lives and her policies such as privatisation still affect the country to this day. I struggle to think of anything that Harry and Meghan or indeed the rest of them have done that resonates across a whole country in the same way.

The point is that you say we can't have opinions on people we don't know.
I'm saying of course we can!
No, we don't know them, but we know plenty about them - from the horses' mouths!