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Meghan and Harry spotted out and about - Naija Edition

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skullbabe · 10/05/2024 20:44

Part 5 of (mostly ๐Ÿ˜‚) drama-free and positive threads, delving into all things Meghan and Harry. Whether itโ€™s the causes they support, their business initiatives, or Meghanโ€™s fashion choices (Harryโ€™s too, on occasion ๐Ÿ˜‰), thereโ€™s plenty to discuss. Just a pro-tip - that there may be use of MLE terms and discussions of dupes - you might want to exit stage left if these things offend. Hat tip to @queentim for the original inspiration.

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smilesy · 13/05/2024 13:18

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 13:07

Equivalent of chucking a few coins in the bucket.

Based on various academic sources and estimates, it is suggested that Britain extracted hundreds of billions, potentially trillions of dollars worth of resources and wealth from Nigeria during the colonial era. This includes the value of agricultural products (like palm oil and cocoa), minerals (like tin and coal), and human capital.

However, this is a very rough estimate, and the true value could be higher or lower due to the complexities and uncertainties mentioned earlier.

It's important to note that this figure doesn't include the social, cultural, and environmental costs of colonialism, which are difficult to quantify in monetary terms but were significant nonetheless.
^^
General Consensus:

While a precise figure is elusive, there is a general consensus among historians and economists that Britain extracted significant wealth from Nigeria during the colonial period. This wealth contributed to the economic development of Britain while hindering the economic progress of Nigeria.

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What bearing does this have on Nigeria now being a sovereign state with access to its own resources? What do yo think the Russians and Chinese want with Nigeria? The same Russia that are training the Nigerian military? Are you going to point out to them the mistakes of the colonial past and suggest they donโ€™t repeat them?

smilesy · 13/05/2024 13:21

Anyway. I apologise@skullbabe for the derailing of her thread and will not be engaging in it any more. It would be nice if Biscuit would do the same. I too found the cultural information that skullbabe supplied very interesting.

oops wrong thread. Have reported

eta no it isnโ€™t. Iโ€™m getting confused ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 13/05/2024 13:36

@TheFirmBiscuit So it's reparations you are in favour of. After 64 years of Independence in a country of immense wealth. Great! Will the wealthy elite class of Nigerians who benefitted hugely from colonial legacies and engaged in owning and trading slaves up until the 1940s be be providing reparations too? That practice was one thing the British colonial administration was unable to put a stop to. Or perhaps we should not judge and make demands on the current generation for the actions of their long dead ancestors, as this author suggests?

'My Nigerian great-grandfather sold slaves'

Nigerian journalist and novelist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani writes that one of her ancestors sold slaves, but argues that he should not be judged by today's standards or values.

....

Records from the UK's National Archives at Kew show how desperately the British struggled to end the internal trade in slaves for almost the entire duration of the colonial period.

"By the 1930s, the colonial establishment had been worn down," wrote Afigbo.

"As a result, they had come to place their hope for the extirpation of the trade on the corrosive effect over time of education and general civilisation."

[Trigger warning before anyone clicks - contains images of slavery that may be distressing.]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 13:41

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 13:16

Are you saying British taxpayers now ( who are on their asses themselves with food banks)
Are responsible for the wealth that colonial governments took?
The wealth that didn't benefit almost all of us alive today?
If 4 years ago is bringing up the past when criticism of h and m is mentioned well I don't know what to think about this!

What I am saying is Britain has a bloodied colonial legacy that has left some degree of poverty and societal chaos in its wake and an awareness of that when lauding compartively trivial sums given back would be in order. And 45,000 Nigerians fought for Britain in WW2. If we are looking for cost savings in country maybe shaking down the huge wealth of the Royal Family would be on order , they are not short of a bob or too and their wealth is protected by unique taxation or rather lack of it.

The Arochukwu Massacre, also known as the Anglo-Aro War, occurred between 1901 and 1902 in southeastern Nigeria. It was a punitive expedition led by the British colonial government against the Aro Confederacy, a powerful Igbo trading network that controlled the region's economy and exerted significant political influence.

Causes of the conflict:

Resistance to Colonial Rule: The Aro resisted British attempts to establish control over their territory and disrupt their trade networks. They saw the British as a threat to their economic and political autonomy.
Slave Trade: The British used the Aro involvement in the slave trade as a justification for military intervention, despite the fact that the British had also participated in the slave trade earlier.
Religious and Cultural Differences: There were underlying tensions between the Aro traditional beliefs and practices and the Christian missionaries who accompanied the British.

The conflict:

The British launched a military campaign against the Aro, deploying a large force of soldiers and utilizing advanced weaponry.
The Aro, despite their decentralized structure and less sophisticated weaponry, fiercely resisted the British invasion.
The conflict involved numerous battles and skirmishes across the Arochukwu region.
The British eventually prevailed, due to their superior firepower and resources.

Consequences:

Significant Loss of Life: Thousands of Aro people were killed during the conflict, including civilians. The exact death toll is uncertain, but it is estimated to be in the thousands.
Destruction of Arochukwu: The Aro capital, Arochukwu, was largely destroyed, along with many other Aro settlements.
Disruption of Aro Economy and Culture: The Aro Confederacy was dismantled, and their economic and political power was shattered. Their traditional trade networks were disrupted, and their cultural practices were suppressed.
Consolidation of British Rule: The defeat of the Aro allowed the British to consolidate their control over southeastern Nigeria, paving the way for further colonial expansion in the region.

Legacy:

The Arochukwu Massacre remains a controversial and painful episode in Nigerian history. It is seen by many as a brutal act of colonial aggression and a symbol of the destructive impact of British rule.
The conflict had long-lasting consequences for the Aro people, who suffered significant loss of life, displacement, and cultural disruption.
The memory of the massacre continues to be commemorated by the Aro people, and it serves as a reminder of their resilience and resistance to colonial oppression.

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 13:46

Perhaps take a look at @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar post before attempting to educate me!!

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 13:49

I'm getting worn down almost ready to accept defeat and move on. Us Roundheads have to keep our powder dry and know when to fight and when to withdraw gracefully !

AliceOlive · 13/05/2024 13:49

Given all of that, if you were Nigerian, how would you feel about the son of the King on the United Kingdom being lauded by leaders in Nigeria?

AliceOlive · 13/05/2024 13:51

It seems really disrespectful to the everyday Nigerian.

However, Iโ€™ve really enjoyed learning more about Nigeria and the people of Nigeria. So in that sense this quasi royal tour, or whatever it is, has been a positive.

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 13:56

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 13:49

I'm getting worn down almost ready to accept defeat and move on. Us Roundheads have to keep our powder dry and know when to fight and when to withdraw gracefully !

Are you affiliated with Cromwell now?

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 14:13

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 13:56

Are you affiliated with Cromwell now?

Had he not been such a Puritan and banned bucolic joy we may have rid ourselves of the family forevermore and we wouldn't have this sub forum . For arguments sake if someone was to start a thread (I'm not going to btw !) say called a Thread in which we love Harry - positive stuff only please - it would get harried and brigaded by the admiitedly impressive Praetorian Guard and thus turn into a bun fight.

DiTePerdantTeMaledico · 13/05/2024 14:14

Takes two sides to fight.

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 14:21

Cromwell was nothing more than a puritanical thug who promised equality to the masses and then became drunk on power and was worse than the king he displaced!
There's a reason that his own supporters overthrew him !
And if that's who modern day republicans are tailoring themselves on they have lost all credibility to me I'm afraid!

AliceOlive · 13/05/2024 14:22

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 14:13

Had he not been such a Puritan and banned bucolic joy we may have rid ourselves of the family forevermore and we wouldn't have this sub forum . For arguments sake if someone was to start a thread (I'm not going to btw !) say called a Thread in which we love Harry - positive stuff only please - it would get harried and brigaded by the admiitedly impressive Praetorian Guard and thus turn into a bun fight.

I donโ€™t think one can the dictate the tone in a thread on MN . Itโ€™s weird to expect that on MN, anyway. Like LumiB said, the internet is vasy, there are probably places where devout love of Harry is shared by all.

TallerSally · 13/05/2024 14:30

AliceOlive · 13/05/2024 13:51

It seems really disrespectful to the everyday Nigerian.

However, Iโ€™ve really enjoyed learning more about Nigeria and the people of Nigeria. So in that sense this quasi royal tour, or whatever it is, has been a positive.

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It seems really disrespectful to the everyday Nigerian.

Delighted to see that the long list of areas of expertise touted by posters on this board now includes deep insight into "the everyday Nigerian"!

Yay-hay.

That's a bit like "the everyday American", "the everyday Indian", and "the everyday Brit", isn't it?

What utter nonsense.

It's clear that this trip has been HUGELY appreciated by a huge chunk of the Nigerian population, who have shown the world that they can
a) organise a flawless presidential style tour for high-profile personalities,
b) use this opportunity to showcase different elements of their culture and tradition, and
c) at the same time drive progress in their society by promoting veteran and mental health issues.

I suspect folks who do know a bit about Nigerians have some idea where they would tell foreigners to shove their "advice" telling Nigerians what to feel disrespected about...

skullbabe · 13/05/2024 14:46

Sometimes I wish that people who do not like Meghan would think carefully about what they are saying in their eagerness to rubbish everything she does. Iโ€™m seeing a few shocked Nigerians on other forums about the way they and their country are being spoken about. (I saw the same with Jamaica).

Anyway - as someone with no skin in the game Iโ€™m pleased Meghan didnโ€™t become involved in the jollof wars? Can you imagine ๐Ÿคฃ? I made the mistake once of saying โ€œtomatoey pepper ricesโ€ in the presence of some Nigerians and Ghanaians - yup that day I learned they donโ€™t come to play ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜…!

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jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 14:51

@TallerSally
Your post seems to be a very disproportionate poke at a poster who's been nothing but polite and is trying to show empathy towards others, and has an interest in learning about Nigeria!

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 14:55

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 14:21

Cromwell was nothing more than a puritanical thug who promised equality to the masses and then became drunk on power and was worse than the king he displaced!
There's a reason that his own supporters overthrew him !
And if that's who modern day republicans are tailoring themselves on they have lost all credibility to me I'm afraid!

With his sword raised on his horse outside Parliament pointing over the road to where Charles 1 got executd he is a poignant reminder to the monarch of where the power lies and why Black Rod has to ask permision of the monarch to enter.

DiTePerdantTeMaledico · 13/05/2024 14:57

Piece time.

Delectable · 13/05/2024 14:58

TallerSally · 13/05/2024 14:30

It seems really disrespectful to the everyday Nigerian.

Delighted to see that the long list of areas of expertise touted by posters on this board now includes deep insight into "the everyday Nigerian"!

Yay-hay.

That's a bit like "the everyday American", "the everyday Indian", and "the everyday Brit", isn't it?

What utter nonsense.

It's clear that this trip has been HUGELY appreciated by a huge chunk of the Nigerian population, who have shown the world that they can
a) organise a flawless presidential style tour for high-profile personalities,
b) use this opportunity to showcase different elements of their culture and tradition, and
c) at the same time drive progress in their society by promoting veteran and mental health issues.

I suspect folks who do know a bit about Nigerians have some idea where they would tell foreigners to shove their "advice" telling Nigerians what to feel disrespected about...

The trip was a total success without a doubt.

Though I suspect H&M will find it difficult to return on a non Invictus lead visit. Even in Lagos, every event had to have elements of recognition of, help for wounded service men or their children.

Nigeria is over flowing with culture and I'm glad royal families of other tribes travelled down to Lagos to honour them.

Racists are now throwing their daggers at a whole country and it's people because they showed love to Meghan!

Hate is cancerous.

TheFirmBiscuit · 13/05/2024 14:59

DiTePerdantTeMaledico · 13/05/2024 14:57

Piece time.

LOL !

CoffeeCantata · 13/05/2024 15:13

It's clear that this trip has been HUGELY appreciated by a huge chunk of the Nigerian population, who have shown the world that they can
a) organise a flawless presidential style tour for high-profile personalities,
b) use this opportunity to showcase different elements of their culture and tradition, and
c) at the same time drive progress in their society by promoting veteran and mental health issues.

Is it, though? I've tried to follow it all but other than the fashion show and blathery (and, I think, misjudged) speeches, I can't see the point - for the Nigerians, I mean - I can definitely see the point for H & M's publicity machine!

It's been a celebrity appearance - and probably paid for by Nigeria? That's OK, as long as people don't try to elevate it beyond that, but please, please let's not call Meghan 'presidential'.

jeffgoldblum · 13/05/2024 15:21

@TheFirmBiscuit , you seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm interested in your attempts at educating me on subjects I already know about!!!
I'm from the U.K. and live here , I studied my own history here , I'm already well acquainted.

TallerSally · 13/05/2024 15:24

skullbabe · 13/05/2024 14:46

Sometimes I wish that people who do not like Meghan would think carefully about what they are saying in their eagerness to rubbish everything she does. Iโ€™m seeing a few shocked Nigerians on other forums about the way they and their country are being spoken about. (I saw the same with Jamaica).

Anyway - as someone with no skin in the game Iโ€™m pleased Meghan didnโ€™t become involved in the jollof wars? Can you imagine ๐Ÿคฃ? I made the mistake once of saying โ€œtomatoey pepper ricesโ€ in the presence of some Nigerians and Ghanaians - yup that day I learned they donโ€™t come to play ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜…!

100% @skullbabe

The amount of bias and ignorance on display on social media boards in relation to Nigeria and this trip has been truly shocking. And a real embarrassment for those concerned.

Anyhoo...

Having been anointed (??) by 3 Nigerian Kings* who travelled out of their kingdoms for the occasion, Meghan is now officially a Princess of Nigeria, so repeat after me y'all: PRINCESS. MEGHAN!!!

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

(* wait, what??? Nigeria has... Kings? Surely not real kings like ours, right? How can that be??)

cookienomstar · 13/05/2024 15:28

TallerSally · 13/05/2024 15:24

100% @skullbabe

The amount of bias and ignorance on display on social media boards in relation to Nigeria and this trip has been truly shocking. And a real embarrassment for those concerned.

Anyhoo...

Having been anointed (??) by 3 Nigerian Kings* who travelled out of their kingdoms for the occasion, Meghan is now officially a Princess of Nigeria, so repeat after me y'all: PRINCESS. MEGHAN!!!

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

(* wait, what??? Nigeria has... Kings? Surely not real kings like ours, right? How can that be??)

Angry White Woman GIF

This will certainly have some folks ripping curtains off the windows... after they've taken a break from the very ignorant writings about Nigeria of course. I really have been amused these past few days ๐Ÿ˜‚

DiTePerdantTeMaledico · 13/05/2024 15:29

I have blinds.

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