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The royal family

Guess who's back?

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DrJoanAllenby · 07/05/2024 13:26

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

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IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 20:45

mythbuster88 · 07/05/2024 19:25

Good on Harry. I wouldn't want to see any of them either. I bet he can't wait to return to his beautiful, young family.

He obviously wants to see the RF though?
If he "can't wait" to return then he ought not to leave, and find another way to make money.

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 20:47

LaurieFairyCake · 07/05/2024 19:30

Have I missed something that we're in a giant huff with Nigeria?

Why would we distance ourselves from Harry representing Britain there ?

It's the Invictus games - sure, it's all his but not because it's 'dodgy' in some way Confused?

He doesn't represent Britain now.
He's no diplomat!

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:49

Salemforcuddles · 07/05/2024 18:08

I do wonder if there is more that we don't know about, it would take an awful lot for me not to speak to my son and what ever people may think of him I think it's always been clear that Charles has loved his sons. It must be incredibly painful

I also agree with this. There is clearly much much more going on behind the scenes than we know. It will have taken a lot for Charles to not see Harry. Christ he even saw him when he did that ridiculous trip when he announced his cancer. So it’s something recent.

i do wonder if it’s the Nigeria tour, Charles doesn’t wish that to be seen as royal in any way, and needs to make it clear this is a private visit. By not seeing Harry it reenforces they are on their own doing it.

Harry has had this date in the diary for a long time. It’s no surprise. If Charles had wished to see him he would have cleared some diary space. Plenty of notice, and Charles doesn’t work 24 hours in a day. He knows the optics around not seeing Harry . And staying silent as to why.

so it’s either about the international relations of having loose cannons, Harry and Megan doing a faux tour, or the pair of them are doing something else on top of this we don’t know about , and Charles has had to cut the chord. He’d never have done it lightly.

i do wonder what the Nigerians think about it. I suspect there is politics there that Megan and Harry have ignored. That’s why Nigeria wanted them, and the pair of them are so desperate they agreed.

Lookingatthesunset · 07/05/2024 20:49

IcedPurple · 07/05/2024 20:40

That's the problem.

Harry still seems to think he is a working royal when it suits him. Just look at the ridiculous 'Office of the Duke and Duchess' website. So for him to go on a jolly to a very sensitive Commonwealth nation is dodgy. Of course, everyone who counts will know he has no official status, but the blurring of lines is not good. The rather strange 'announcement' even referred to him as HRH, even though according to the Sandringham Agreement he was supposed to have 'agreed' not to use that style.

I don't think he's accepted that he's not a working Royal any more.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:52

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 20:47

He doesn't represent Britain now.
He's no diplomat!

I’m stunned anyone can think Harry is representing Britain on the Nigerian tour. How can the whole rift , living in America. No longer a working royal , not to use hrh have escaped anyone?

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 20:53

LizzieBennett73 · 07/05/2024 20:29

It's sad when two people meet and do nothing but bring the absolute worst out in one another. Both are headstrong, entitled, over privileged and don't have the ability to be accountable to themselves or anyone us. They're a toxic combination and sadly have now isolated themselves from both families so are free from positive influences and just surround themselves with a revolving door of Yes men.

I understand why they wanted to be out of the goldfish bowl of royal life but how they've behaved since doing so is inexcusable.

I think you have excellent points, but they didn't want to be out of the goldfish bowl of royal life - they love publicity and want all the clicks and the headlines. However - they didn't want to work within the institution. They wanted to "carve a progressive new role" (sic). That's the difference.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:53

Lookingatthesunset · 07/05/2024 20:49

I don't think he's accepted that he's not a working Royal any more.

I think it’s more they failed at everything so they are now trying ro be royal again.

IcedPurple · 07/05/2024 20:54

Lookingatthesunset · 07/05/2024 20:49

I don't think he's accepted that he's not a working Royal any more.

He definitely hasn't.

I'm convinced that is what the whole farce over his 'security' is really about. Someone deeply concerned about their security wouldn't voluntarily visit a country as dangerous as Nigeria, leaving their very young children on another continent.

The truth is he never really wanted to leave. They backed themselves into a corner publishing that idiotic 'manifesto'.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:55

IcedPurple · 07/05/2024 20:54

He definitely hasn't.

I'm convinced that is what the whole farce over his 'security' is really about. Someone deeply concerned about their security wouldn't voluntarily visit a country as dangerous as Nigeria, leaving their very young children on another continent.

The truth is he never really wanted to leave. They backed themselves into a corner publishing that idiotic 'manifesto'.

Yes that’s fair. I change my view, I agree, they never accepted it.

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 20:56

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:53

I think it’s more they failed at everything so they are now trying ro be royal again.

That's the crux of the matter. The desperation to be a working royal again.

Janiie · 07/05/2024 20:57

' I don't think he's accepted that he's not a working Royal any more.'

Yes I think with Granny sadly gone he's thinking he can slowly get the Sussex Royal USA! thing off the ground as his Pa seems a bit of a soft touch..

JSMill · 07/05/2024 20:59

Janiie · 07/05/2024 20:57

' I don't think he's accepted that he's not a working Royal any more.'

Yes I think with Granny sadly gone he's thinking he can slowly get the Sussex Royal USA! thing off the ground as his Pa seems a bit of a soft touch..

I think you are right but I also think @Sillystrumpet has a good point that they are trying to go back to being royals because everything else has failed.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 20:59

I really hope they are ok in Nigeria, I wonder if Charles told them not to go, and they refused so he said he couldn’t see him and be seen to condone it.

on one hand I hope they will be ok. On the other I will be hiding my eyes behind my hands as the pics come out of them acting all royal.

Lookingatthesunset · 07/05/2024 21:02

I think they are really stupid to go to Nigeria. It just seems so risky and for what? To make themselves look as if they are on a royal tour? To show how much better they can do it than everyone else?

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 21:03

JSMill · 07/05/2024 20:59

I think you are right but I also think @Sillystrumpet has a good point that they are trying to go back to being royals because everything else has failed.

Yes, I think if they’d been successful and weren’t in the shit as they are now, this whole I want to be royal, would all have went away,

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 21:12

Lookingatthesunset · 07/05/2024 21:02

I think they are really stupid to go to Nigeria. It just seems so risky and for what? To make themselves look as if they are on a royal tour? To show how much better they can do it than everyone else?

What else have they got? Polo matches and various "award" events.
Only Invictus, and that's doing some heavy lifting.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 21:12

If you look at the foreign office travel advice for Nigeria, it is really very concerning, they are there for 5 days I think. Charles last went in 2018 and had to pull out of certain parts as it was so dangerous.

they have not said where they are going exactly, but even if they go to supposed safe areas it has to be a huge risk that some group may try to harm or kidnap them for leverage.

Nigeria travel risks

Regional risks - Nigeria travel advice

FCDO travel advice for Nigeria. Includes safety and security, insurance, entry requirements and legal differences.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/nigeria/regional-risks#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20high%20and,of%20kidnap%20and%20violent%20attacks.

Drebara · 07/05/2024 21:13

I think they're going because Meghan found out her heritage was part Nigerian, and they've been invited, and it would be rude not to go. The pleasant side effects are that they will appear as though they're on a royal tour, of which they have previous experience, and this time, because it's in their interests, they will do it well. I think they upset South Africa didn't they, last time, by being unkind about the accommodation - some phrase or other kept being repeated on Twitter, 'footsak Meghan' or something. So this is a chance to woo Africa again.

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 21:14

But - surely - it can't be more dangerous than Westminster Abbey and St Paul's Cathedral where the poor man fears for his life, so we taxpayers have to pay for top rate security?

CurlewKate · 07/05/2024 21:15

@IcedPurple "No idea?

Despite him notoriously referring to a very capable colleague as 'our little P*ki friend' and telling another he 'looked like a raghead'?"

Yep-that's pretty racist, I agree.

Sillystrumpet · 07/05/2024 21:16

Honestly looking at the risks, I do think there is a huge potential for a major diplomatic catastrophe, and they get kidnapped or hurt. The security will need to be enormous. And any thing bad happening, even just an attempt, is going to be global news.

i wonder if that is why Charles isn’t seeing him. He’s trying to give the message it’s nothing to do with him and Harry is not worth the effort of an attack.

IcedPurple · 07/05/2024 21:19

Drebara · 07/05/2024 21:13

I think they're going because Meghan found out her heritage was part Nigerian, and they've been invited, and it would be rude not to go. The pleasant side effects are that they will appear as though they're on a royal tour, of which they have previous experience, and this time, because it's in their interests, they will do it well. I think they upset South Africa didn't they, last time, by being unkind about the accommodation - some phrase or other kept being repeated on Twitter, 'footsak Meghan' or something. So this is a chance to woo Africa again.

I don't think they're in the slightest bit concerned about appearing 'rude'. Not that it would be 'rude' to turn down an invitation to a very dangerous country, especially when you are parents of young children.

As for 'doing it well', I'm not so sure. Nigeria is a terrible choice for a faux royal tour, for all sorts of reasons. Official royal tours are planned months in advance, at the highest level. And even then things can go wrong, as we saw in the then Cambridges' Caribbean tour. They appear to have been invited by someone in the military, not the government, so there may not be high level diplomatic support on the Nigerian side. And as for the Sussexes, we know they have no sensitivity or awareness in these matters. It has potential to be a disaster.

Thedom · 07/05/2024 21:23

Some of the comments on X are brutal. Such a shame the veterans are being sidelined.

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Abouttimeforanamechange · 07/05/2024 21:25

Yes I think with Granny sadly gone he's thinking he can slowly get the Sussex Royal USA!thing off the ground as his Pa seems a bit of a soft touch..

Pa might be a soft touch, but I don't think William is. I think William's mindset is more likely to be 'hell will freeze over...'

I think they're going because Meghan found out her heritage was part Nigerian,,,,

But I bet she hasn't a clue about actual Nigerian heritage or cultural or ethnic sensitivities. Will she choose her wardrobe bearing in mind that it's a majority Muslim country?

And I bet the average Nigerian doesn't see M. as someone they can relate to in any way. Nigerian heritage or not, she is entirely American.

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 07/05/2024 21:30

ajandjjmum · 07/05/2024 19:18

I suspect that the King would have seen him, but Harry was demanding a one to one, and no-one will see him alone.

I read today that the King and the Wales family are very aware of the impact that stress has on the body, and feel that the way H & M have behaved may have contributed to the current ill health of the King and Catherine.

Good grief, blaming him for cancer is a bit much.

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