Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

Like I said I missed the earlier part of the conversation so I'm not sure what your weird biology-denying theory is trying to prove in Diana's case... But in general yes, obviously a 19 year old has much worse decision making capacity than her older peers. I was very much a child at 20, as anyone of a certain age will tell you!

Social context doesn't change basic biology. My grandma "chose" to marry my (very horrible) grandpa at 14 back then, had my parents in her teens, and she's repeatedly told me she foolishly had no idea what she was doing back then.

I 100% don't buy your earlier made up scientific theory that girls mature faster than boys (true) so Diana was some kind of big brain 19 year old megatron as mature as a 30+ year old man (LOL).

That's not possible for most girls/women, but Diana's behaviour – fits, tantrums, throwing herself down the stairs, emotional reactions like abruptly cutting off her DS' nannies due to jealousy, confiding in William that being pregnant with William made her want to kill herself, and the list goes on – especially was hardly a shining example of maturity beyond her years...

Time has marched on by more than 40 years.

This does seem a rather odd topic to be discussing on a thread about Harry, it was 40 years ago and isn't really pertinent now.

I was quoting this theory: "Yes, I firmly believe some women are more mature than many men. Male and female brains develop at different paces. That part is not an opinion."

Biology doesn't change that much over 40 years. Yeah, maybe girls can outpace boys in brain development by a few years, but not 12 years. 40 years ago that wasn't true, and neither is it now.

Also, like I said earlier, Diana sounded even less mature than most of her age group peers (which I'm not blaming her for, just making an observation).

That's not possible for most girls/women, but Diana's behaviour – fits, tantrums, throwing herself down the stairs, emotional reactions like abruptly cutting off her DS' nannies due to jealousy, confiding in William that being pregnant with William made her want to kill herself, and the list goes on – especially was hardly a shining example of maturity beyond her years...

That doesn’t sound like a maturity issue but a mental health issue.

Not surprising looking at her childhood/adolescence. Which her own family would have seen.

So what does it matter now? It was of its time!

@jeffgoldblum off topic but good to see you here posting. Someone keeps mentioning a ‘missing stalwart of these threads’ and of course I thought of you.

Aww thanks @AliceOlive ❤️ , I was away busy with life stuff ( finding a way!🤣) , I have been dipping in and reading though !

'I think the suggestion is more based around the fact that the are STILL crowing and taking sides to stick it to the Royals. From what I understand the boys barely knew Charles Spencer before the funeral and his silly promises to steal them off their family (after he himself didn’t help his sister) didn’t come to fruition

Yes what happend 40 yrs ago happened but they are now inappropriately taking the opportunity to appear to take sides. All so unedifying and cringeworthy. Charles Spencer snd his 'us your blood family' bollocks. Wonder what his dds think of being 'blood rels' to that dysfunctional sanctimonious arse.

It doesn't change the fact that it was a bad idea that landed her dead as well?

I'm not blaming anyone (neither Charles nor Diana's family). I know that's how things were done then!

Like I said I missed the earlier part so I'm baffled as to this conversation/why anyone would try to insist a 19 year old is more mature than a 30 year old. I'm just coming at it from the biological side.

If she had a poor childhood/adolescence and that made her mentally ill, surely that underscores the point that she wasn't as mentally mature/capable as a 30 year old? How does that tie in with the More-Mature-Than-A-30-Year-Old Megamind concept?

(Also as a sidenote, I'm very into mental health and whatever the case, mental health and brain development intersect. Plenty of literature shows that most women with mental health issues/preconditions, or personality disorders or certain kinds of NT have their brains "stabilise" at a different rate and later point in life.)

A lack of seatbelt most likely landed her dead.

And were lessons learned during the near catastrophic car chase…?

Oh it is mentally mature now and nothing to do with her being 19 now?

Got you.

when making it fit is all about the holes.

A lack of seatbelt most likely landed her dead.

A series of bad decisions, culminating in not wearing a seatbelt.

That too.

Got you means I understand you.

Not gotcha. (Which would suggest I’d caught someone out)

Do keep up.

And quit it with the personal insults if you please.

I can disagree with what I please.

Your sorry doesn’t cut it.

If you were sorry you could have edited out your insult.

You did not.

I disagree and I'm no troll !
I was no child at 16 and definitely not at 20 !
Most women have had the whole "girls are more mature than boys " mentality shoved down our throats for years !
Normally to excuse bad behaviour from them , women are forced to mature fast to deal with the sexualisation of us from 12 onwards.
Now I'm older I would make the same decisions now as I did then !

But then remember he was only 32 then , and he had lost a sister .

Also remember that Diana’s two older sisters really didn’t my know her that well . They were all away at school by 8 .

It seems like you didn’t just miss the earlier part of the conversation but misread what I wrote completely. If you even read it at all.

I said nothing specific about Diana’s maturity. Which by the way has nothing do to with your own at that age anyway. I was neither a child nor immature at age 20. I say this with many years of life experience. I think many women will concur about their own maturity.

There are 2 parts to this –

1. 19 year olds are immature in general.

This is a basic biological fact.

However, like you, I believe there are exceptions to this.

Unlike you(?), I don't believe Diana was an exception to this (as said earlier, fits, tantrums, throwing herself down the stairs, emotional reactions like abruptly cutting off her DS' nannies due to jealousy, confiding in William that being pregnant with William made her want to kill herself, and the list goes on)

2. PP's assertion that "many 19 year old women have more sense and maturity than a man in his 30s".

Scientifically it's true that female brain development outpaces male development, but not by over a decade, sorry.

In terms of this specific case, I don't know if Diana was more mature than Charles at the point of marriage, but I highly doubt so (and that's taking into account that Charles was emotionally stunted and dysfunctional as well).

I’m not sure “he was only 32” is an excuse. 32 is plenty old enough to know how to behave. I can accept that maybe the loss of his sister had affected him but to use “only being 32” as a reason, come on now!

Edited to correct 321 to 32 😆

Only 32? Come on now.

Old enough to understand the ramifications of making a nasty point during the funeral of his sister I would say.

Lovely way to remember his sister and lovely sentiment to show his grief stricken nephews.