Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

Only on MN can a 20yo woman be deceived as a child in one thread and then a 15yo boy described as a grown man in another

I couldn't agree more, @YaMuvva, to say nothing of the way it changes according to what's being argued

For me at least it would be closer to say Diana was inexperienced - and of course married a man from an impossible family who's real concern was what he personally wanted at any given time

The Spencer’s did in fact grow up with the RF.

If there is a bachelor future King then absolutely many aristocratic girls will be drip fed into their brains that they can go for him. KC was hot property when he was young amongst the status hungry parents of Sloane Rangers, the ‘falling in love’ part would be given v little consideration

Yes exactly and pretending they plucked an innocent virgin from obscurity is just insulting

Do you think H and M have listened to criticism as they have arrived in Nigeria on a BA flight ?

But C&D played into it too.
Telling the press where they'd be on holiday and doing photo shoots on holiday with the kids.

There would be one photo op at the beginning of a skiiing holiday, or whatever, on the understanding they'd be left alone after that.

Despite the fact that she spoke many times about her devastation when she realised Charles was in love with someone else? How that affected her ? She definitely did not believe it was a an arranged marriage at the time. He may have had an entirely different understanding, but he misled her.

Yeah I’m not buying it.

like her youngest Diana at some point decided to trot out the perpetual victim story. She fell in love with many other men, some married, so she can’t have been that devastated

It never happened like that though did it? Surely after the first time they we chased over a mountain they'd avoid telling the press where they'd be?

The press leave Williams kids alone, and to be honest they probably don't even know which resort they'll be in.

If it wasn't an arranged marriage where we're her family in the whole thing?

Who in their right mind would encourage their daughter, neice, sister to get engaged to someone they'd met 7 times?

Theres been something of a gentleman’s agreement between the RF and the British press for about 30 years now in that the British newspapers have agreed not to publish paparazzi pictures of the Royals, in exchange for plenty of official photo ops in return. They will still be papped for pictures to be used in foreign press, but you will never see a pap picture in a UK newspaper of a Royal (the Nazi one and Vegas one of Harry was something of a loophole as both were taken by party guests not paps)

Social climbers and Royal wannabes

More than a waft of the Boleyns.

To be fair, I believe the Spencers have a better "royal" pedigree than the Windsors. I agree that it does sound a bit like the Boleyn clan. Didn't work out too well for them either.

It was an arranged marriage to all intents and purposes but teenage girls weren't forewarned about the way they'd be treated in marriage in those days, it was all Mills and Boon and Barbara Cartland, probably to get them to comply in the first place.

Her mother was married at 18 and had more than one affair, in fact Diana's father is almost certainly James Goldsmith.

Only on MN can a 20yo woman be deceived as a child in one thread and then a 15yo boy described as a grown man in another

It's always the same on here - women are infantalised and patronised, men are painted as attackers in the making so yes 15 year olds stands to reason would be men 🙄 (eye roll not specifically aimed at you, just the situation on MN)

Not sure about 'royal' but the Spencers are a much older, grander and certainly more English family than the Windsors. Definitely not on the level of the Boleyns, who were mere landed gentry. Diana considered the Windsors to be Teutonic upstarts. She referred to them as 'the Germans', and to Phil as 'Stavros'. Presumably not to his face!

Most teenagers never give a passing thought to Royal Life. Diana however had been brought up within that set so would have had a lot of knowledge about it. Unlike later royal brides such as Kate (though as she and William dated forever she had a lot of time to learn, which worked out well for her I think) and Meghan who had the advantage of age, but disadvantage of knowing very little about how the British Royal family works.

It's always the same on here - women are infantalised and patronised, men are painted as attackers in the making so yes 15 year olds stands to reason would be men

Except when women are being abused, or just treated like shit, by their teenage sons, then it's 'Keep lines of communication open - try love bombing - he'll come through it - I could never throw my own son out.'

Diana's father is almost certainly James Goldsmith.Rubbish, she was the double of her dad

Her maternal Grandmother was Lady Fermoy and she was a friend of the Queen Mum . It is widely acknowledged that she was instrumental in pushing Diana towards Charles . He had already dated Diana’s sister Sarah but that went nowhere , Jane married very young so Diana was the last option.

'He had already dated Diana’s sister Sarah but that went nowhere , Jane married very young so Diana was the last option'

I wonder why, if her sisters couldn't discourage Diana from going along with it all the sisters didn't take matters into their own hands. They knew she was at best vulnerable why not have a quiet word with a close friend of Charles and warn him off. Then they pitch up at Harry's latest thing as if they weren't complicit in the whole shit show of a marriage that caused decades of massive drama and upset.

How can they warn Charles a 32 year old man off their younger sister?? What a ridiculous suggestion. Their family are not the Mafia you know.

Oy Charles - stay away from my sister or else!!

It isn't a 'ridiculous suggestion'. It was an arranged marriage, someone should have said 'oh no not Diana she is rather immature and vulnerable. Will not have a cat in hells chance of coping with the attention and the OW'.
But no, they all went along with it. I hope they regret their inaction to this day whilst poncing about at St Paul's grinning and waving at Harold.

If it was an arranged marriage, it was the Royal Family who arranged it, not Diana's sisters. Maybe Charles will regret his actions while poncing about his events?