Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

Back to a point already made but I’ve just watched the footage of Harry arriving at St Paul’s- the crowd noise is utterly bizarrely! Like wolves howling, it’s a literal cacophony. I have no idea what to make of it.

Yeah he was informed of your posts on Mumsnet so they hastily arranged a visit, honestly some people are utterly clueless on the workings of the royal family.

" I bet Charles actually breathed a sigh of relief that he was marrying the woman he wanted to"

Didn't PC influence PW finishing things with Kate back in 2007?
That's what some of the newspapers were saying at the time, but we know how accurate they are. PC and Kate seem to get on very well now.
Also think PC really tried to get to know MM, giving her away at the wedding.

Presumably you met him more than 7 times before an engagement was announced, and more at 14 before the wedding.

C&D was effectively an arranged marriage. And very poorly matched. You cannot compare to most everyday couples

I definitely agree that it was a bit of a shit show in that generation of marriages, Charles, Ann and the Queens sister Margaret.
Andrew is the weirdest one ever. At one point I thought they'd get remarried.

Lesson's were definitely learned allowing Edward and William time to get to know their partners and for them to be sure of Royal life before getting married.

Harry had time with his previous partners but time was marching on body clock ticking and I think he jumped in with Meghan before she knew what she was getting into (or they were planning the exit plan.from the beginning)

I also think Williams stability is a mix of councilling, his Grandparents, accepting Camilla the stability of that marriage and the good fortune of having Kate and her family.

There is a difference between marrying an older man and marrying a man who you barely know and who has misled you about how he feels. A man who loves someone else. She married into an institution that had her trapped body and soul. It wasn’t the same at all as any other marriage. She was isolated and also expected to perform a very demanding life in the public eye. For life. She was also damaged and traumatised from a difficult family background herself.

According to them they went through a rough patch, they mentioned it in their engagement intervjew. I can’t see why PC would do that

Charles is not supposed to have told William to end it with Catherine. What he is supposed to have said to William was to make up his mind and stop stringing Catherine along.

All that you say is true; however, I don't think she wouldn't have know the demands of royal life, unless she chose not to consider that.

If W&K were having a rough patch then it makes sense to end it.

Kate effectively had her life on hold (Waitie Katie)for William. Not just romanticly but she wasn't able to get on building a career. It would not have been fair to Kate to leave her hanging on if William wasn't sure.
Likewise William would have been wasting his own time if he wasn't sure they had a future together

@Lookingatthesunset she was a teenager when she got engaged. Most teenagers would not comprehend the demands of Royal life.

@Singingseals They were attempting to sound like singing seals as a friendly greeting to Harry.

Edited for typos.

If you say so,

She was brought up in royal circles. She was trained for this.

Eh? She was from an aristocratic family. A very dysfunctional one. Are you suggesting all girls from that background were being ‘trained’ to marry into the RF? Incidentally both her sisters had stable marriages without affairs so far as we know. They obviously didn’t expect their husbands to cheat as a matter of course, or expect to have affairs themselves. Do you think Earl Spencer’s wives all expected him to be unfaithful too? He doesn’t have a great track record, but I’m sure his wives didn’t marry him expecting affairs and accepting them.

Eh? Ya what?
Yes I am. That was an ambitious family, they had a home near Sandringham, they mixed with the royals. Spencer wanted one of his daughters to marry in. They're old school aristocrats.
I never said anything about expectations to cheat, I do wish people would read posts.

Just pointing out that your initial sweeping generalisation was incorrect

You're right, @Lifestooshort71 . I remember a lot of my contemporaries left school at 16 and were married at 20. Different times.

Apologies - this wasn't meant for you

😂

What a ridiculous thing to say 🙄

To be fair Diana’s father worked for the Queen and they lived on the Sandringham estate. At one time it was thought he might marry Princess Margaret, he was also a potential suiter for the Queen ( he was two years older than her) his father used to be very rude about Prince Philip as a consequence. When Frances married him she was only just 18 and Johnny was 32 it was the society wedding of the year with the whole Royal family there at Westminster Abbey. Her mother (Diana’s grandmother) was a close friend and lady in waiting to the Queen mother . It was absolutely arranged. He needed an heir, by the time she was 30 she had had 5 children including a child who died within 24 hours and both of them had had affairs. Diana was on record as saying that she saw her father hit her mother, even so it was her mother who was labeled ‘a bolter’ So hardly a model marriage, Diana’s father and grandfather were well known locally for their tempers, probably where H gets his temper from. But nevertheless absolutely steeped in the monarchy , Diana’s oldest sister was married to the Queens private secretary FGS.

Diana absolutely understood the demands of traditional royal life what no one was prepared for was the public adulation and press attention, which was on an unprecedented scale and was probably the fourth person in their marriage .

Indeed!

@cyclamenqueen I thought similar. It's one thing knowing the theory of what royal life involved its another thing living it.

The press were really cruel at times. But C&D played into it too.
Telling the press where they'd be on holiday and doing photo shoots on holiday with the kids. Then wonder why the press are everywhere?

W&K have taken a different approach, you don't see their kids, skiing, at theme parks, waiting for parents to come home After being away for months.

Yes of course he could if the will was there.