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The royal family

Guess who's back?

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DrJoanAllenby · 07/05/2024 13:26

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

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YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 20:48

JSMill · 09/05/2024 20:44

@YaMuvva it's amazing that William has turned out apparently so well given what he had to deal with at such a young age.

Absolutely! My friend is a psychologist who specialises in CPTSD in adults. She says that in her experience children who experienced abuse often go either 1 of 2 ways - they are deeply damaged and act out in adulthood or they push for a better adult life and be very high functioning. Neither is ‘better’ than the other theyre just different but I wonder if William felt it keenly to be the one to push on because the RF can’t have an heir who is unstable

AssignedUnimportantAtBirth · 09/05/2024 21:20

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:25

Yeah lets have a go at Meghan again.
We get it. Everything she does is terrible. How dare she exist and wear clothes.

How dare she march in front of veterans, purporting to lead servicemen, wearing a play suit that barely covers her arse and flip flops.

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:24

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 20:35

Oh I totally agree that Harry is Charles’s son. We looks more like his dad than William does. But there are still rumours to this day.

I disagree about Diana being surprised that Charles was unfaithful. She grew up in the exact same circles and I would be amazed if she didn’t know Royals have affairs like any bodies

Yes her own family were awful but she had several affairs sometimes with married men and yes I do blame her. They were badly matched but why people blindly swallow that Charles was the bad guy is beyond me

It was rumoured that William was a favourite and something of a crutch of Diana’s. She once told a story about how she was having a nervous breakdown locked in her room and he had to pass her notes underneath the door to check she was OK. He was 11 IIRC. I have an 11yo who would be deeply, deeply upset and damaged if this happened to her. Diana told this story as part of her “I’m such a victim look what Charles pushed me and William to” rhetoric and I wonder if she realised that actually SHE was the one damaging her child.

I also wondered at the time (I’m around the same age as William) what the boys thought of her airing her dirty laundry to Martin Bashir about her marriage. I remember thinking how mortified they must be and what their friends and schoolmates would be saying to them.

Diana did a lot of good but like Harry her damaging and selfish behaviour always seemed to trump the feelings of literally anybody else

So anyone who married into the upper class or aristocracy just accepted that affairs were a given on both sides? I don’t think so. We are also talking about a very naive and not very bright, damaged teenager. Do you think she sat down and thought oh I am marrying a much older man who doesn’t love me. He’ll have affairs, and I’m fine with that? Clearly not.

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:25

AssignedUnimportantAtBirth · 09/05/2024 21:20

How dare she march in front of veterans, purporting to lead servicemen, wearing a play suit that barely covers her arse and flip flops.

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Yes WHY was she there?! She was on stage at the last Invictus games doing speeches.

it’s funny which events she picks and chooses to support Harry.

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:28

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:24

So anyone who married into the upper class or aristocracy just accepted that affairs were a given on both sides? I don’t think so. We are also talking about a very naive and not very bright, damaged teenager. Do you think she sat down and thought oh I am marrying a much older man who doesn’t love me. He’ll have affairs, and I’m fine with that? Clearly not.

Like I say I am going off the people I know in the aristocracy and whilst it’s far less common these days, and it is a ‘must’ it was very common, almost expected, in certain circles up until around the 00’s.

She wasn’t a teenager when she married Charles. And she didn’t grow up like me and you watching middle class standards of marriage. As a Sloane Ranger she will have known that Charles was the biggest prize anyone in her circle could ever bag. I just don’t buy the “lamb to the slaughter” narrative at all.

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:30

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:28

Like I say I am going off the people I know in the aristocracy and whilst it’s far less common these days, and it is a ‘must’ it was very common, almost expected, in certain circles up until around the 00’s.

She wasn’t a teenager when she married Charles. And she didn’t grow up like me and you watching middle class standards of marriage. As a Sloane Ranger she will have known that Charles was the biggest prize anyone in her circle could ever bag. I just don’t buy the “lamb to the slaughter” narrative at all.

She was just 20 when she married Charles. She was really a child.

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:31

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:30

She was just 20 when she married Charles. She was really a child.

She wasn’t a child at all

Only on MN can a 20yo woman be deceived as a child in one thread and then a 15yo boy described as a grown man in another

Im old enough to remember the 80’s and getting married at 19, 20, 21 was very common. Charles was the exception in that he seemed to take forever by 80’s sta dates to get married.

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:33

How old are you out of interest?

JSMill · 09/05/2024 21:34

How dare she march in front of veterans, purporting to lead servicemen, wearing a play suit that barely covers her arse and flip flops.
I can't forget that image. It's so disrespectful to the servicemen taking part in Invictus. Does M respect anything?

43percentClaw · 09/05/2024 21:37

I’m guessing they are old enough to remember the 80s. Just like me.

They taught a lot of things in school back then. Including counting.

Mylovelygreendress · 09/05/2024 21:38

JSMill · 09/05/2024 21:34

How dare she march in front of veterans, purporting to lead servicemen, wearing a play suit that barely covers her arse and flip flops.
I can't forget that image. It's so disrespectful to the servicemen taking part in Invictus. Does M respect anything?

I wonder what inappropriate, expensive outfits she will parade in over the next few days ?
Hopefully someone will ask if she is ok .

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:38

Old enough to remember weddings of 19 year old cousins and family friends - my mum was married at 25 had her first baby at 26 and says she was considered to almost spinster territory!

Mylovelygreendress · 09/05/2024 21:40

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:31

She wasn’t a child at all

Only on MN can a 20yo woman be deceived as a child in one thread and then a 15yo boy described as a grown man in another

Im old enough to remember the 80’s and getting married at 19, 20, 21 was very common. Charles was the exception in that he seemed to take forever by 80’s sta dates to get married.

I agree that people used to get married much younger . Nowadays 20 is unusual but when I was 19-22 , a few of my friends got married .
Some people on MN are funny about age . It totally bewilders me when people refer to H and M as a young couple but on the other hand anyone over 55 is old !

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:41

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 21:38

Old enough to remember weddings of 19 year old cousins and family friends - my mum was married at 25 had her first baby at 26 and says she was considered to almost spinster territory!

Jist because you know people who were married at that age doesn’t make it OK. Diana was an exceptionally sheltered, naive girl with no life experience being married to a much older, stuffy , dull man who didn’t love her.

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:46

I am almost exactly the same age as Diana would have been. I knew no one who got married at her age with no previous partners to a much older man. She hadn’t had a happy or stable family life and was without support . I think she was used and abused quite frankly. I agree she was unstable and emotionally immature. She coped as best she could with the situation she found herself in. Unfortunately she passed on her dysfunctional patterns to at least one of her sons.

Cavend · 09/05/2024 21:53

Just a thought, could you imagine if the brothers William and Harry had been born in reverse order, and it had been PH who became the heir and Prince of Wales? Would his Princess of Wales have still wanted to go back to California, after her husband had inherited the £££ Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall ?
Not particularly a Royalist, though I suspect Kate would still have been more royal than the royals if she had the title Duchess of Sussex instead of Princess of Wales. Seems this latter title brings trouble with it, thinking of Caroline of Brunswick in particular, another Princess of Wales who was not allowed to become Queen.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 22:06

Charles has listened to the criticism.

Lifestooshort71 · 09/05/2024 22:07

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:46

I am almost exactly the same age as Diana would have been. I knew no one who got married at her age with no previous partners to a much older man. She hadn’t had a happy or stable family life and was without support . I think she was used and abused quite frankly. I agree she was unstable and emotionally immature. She coped as best she could with the situation she found herself in. Unfortunately she passed on her dysfunctional patterns to at least one of her sons.

I married a week after my 20th birthday in the early 70s to my first proper boyfriend who was nearly 34 and I can assure you I was neither used nor abused.

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 22:08

Lifestooshort71 · 09/05/2024 22:07

I married a week after my 20th birthday in the early 70s to my first proper boyfriend who was nearly 34 and I can assure you I was neither used nor abused.

Presumably he loved you and wasn’t having an affair with a married woman?

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 22:10

Cavend · 09/05/2024 21:53

Just a thought, could you imagine if the brothers William and Harry had been born in reverse order, and it had been PH who became the heir and Prince of Wales? Would his Princess of Wales have still wanted to go back to California, after her husband had inherited the £££ Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall ?
Not particularly a Royalist, though I suspect Kate would still have been more royal than the royals if she had the title Duchess of Sussex instead of Princess of Wales. Seems this latter title brings trouble with it, thinking of Caroline of Brunswick in particular, another Princess of Wales who was not allowed to become Queen.

Yes can you imagine? What an absolute catastrophe that would have been!

Lookingatthesunset · 09/05/2024 22:14

All this bull about being so young - my youngest is the same age as Diana was when she got married and they are not naive, and 'know their onions'! My mother married a much older man when she was 18, and they had a long and happy marriage until they were sadly parted by death.

Diana had been living in a flat with her friends. She had been around the RF all her life. I am not sure she was as naive as people are trying to make her out to be.

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 22:15

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 22:06

Charles has listened to the criticism.

Don’t be silly these trips are planned months in advance

Lookingatthesunset · 09/05/2024 22:18

Yeah, sure he's been on MN and thought, "that SluggyMuggy talks a lot of sense, I should listen"!!!!!!!!!!!

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 22:18

MacavitytheMystery · 09/05/2024 21:46

I am almost exactly the same age as Diana would have been. I knew no one who got married at her age with no previous partners to a much older man. She hadn’t had a happy or stable family life and was without support . I think she was used and abused quite frankly. I agree she was unstable and emotionally immature. She coped as best she could with the situation she found herself in. Unfortunately she passed on her dysfunctional patterns to at least one of her sons.

I’m not sure I agree with all that but I think that their absolute shitshow of a marriage (plus Anne and Andrew’s marriages) led the Royals to understand that in a modern society marrying for love, even if that meant marrying a non-virgin “commoner”, is a better bet to place than setting up people as studs and brood mares. It was bizarrely implied in some circles that Catherine was a poor choice of bride for William but I bet Charles actually breathed a sigh of relief he was marrying the woman he wanted to.

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