Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

I once read a book called The Traitor King that was very insightful about Edward VIII, his life and Nazi associations

@YaMuvva . I read a really interesting book about Edward and Wallis - what a nasty, conniving pair! Greedy and traitors too, of course.

Why on earth would Roussette be banned?

She was one of the most consistently polite posters on the RF boards!

Was just thinking the same, never seen Rousette be anything but nice and polite on threads

Recollections may vary.

There’s a video on there pushing a woman away who tried to hug him.

Not quite the “He’s so good with people unlike KKKate who is cold” line the squaddies push

Were there 2 Roussettes ??

Yes, I've read it and agree it was very good

I've always believed, though, that Wallis provided an all-too-convenient excuse for getting rid of a thoroughly unsuitable King; justified in the context of the times perhaps, but still a gift to those who preferred to avoid a traitor

Recollections definitely vary.

So much I could add, but I'd rather not get myself banned. The poster in question was certainly not a victim of anything other than people disagreeing with them.

I think you’re spot on about Diana.

At a very very bored time during lockdown I watched a lot of Royal documentaries on Netflix. There was one called Diana on Tape. It was basically the interview tapes Andrew Morton filmed.

This was pre-Oprah interview I watched this

It’s FASCINATING to see the parallels of the victim complex between her and her youngest.
everything was awful and she had a terrible time with everything
She hated her wedding day, she hated being pregnant, she hated going on tour, she hated the crowds. She told tales of very alarming behaviour including what amounted to self harm in front of people including her sons and Charles. She admitted hurting herself in front of Charles to see how much he cared.

if this was MN and a woman posting about her husband people would tell her to call the police. Aside from the fact Diana also had affairs - in one case it was so well known and long there’s STILL a question mark from some over the paternity of one of her children - I really do believe Charles was the victim in this marriage. She sounded like an absolute drama llama who created problems…and now look at her son.

I also think regarding the affairs of Charlie and Diana, people apply their own middle and working class standards to their marriage. I’ve known people in the aristocracy - even now, but certainly in the 80’s, affairs were a staple part of an aristocratic marriage providing the wedded couple stuck to an unspoken set of rules - such as have affairs after you’ve popped all the babies out. It was the done thing and the reactions to affairs would have been very different than of a middle class man had an affair (no less damaging to the kids of course)

Absolutely, well said !!

I thought you were off to Twitter to play with your kin?

I've always believed, though, that Wallis provided an all-too-convenient excuse for getting rid of a thoroughly unsuitable King

Wallis allegedly, at some point, had an affair with von Ribbentrop, the German ambassador to the UK. If that was true, and the UK security services knew it, there was no way Edward could be allowed to marry her and remain King.

Was thinking just that.

just because people don’t swear it doesn’t mean they’re polite. I find constant attempts to close down discussion rude

Weren't the contents of the red despatch boxes known to Ribbentrop via his mistress Wallis?
Too dangerous.

I don't know if you actually remember much about Diana but you're wrong on several fronts. Harry is definitely Charles' son. The affair with Hewitt hadn't even begun when he was conceived. He also looks very like Charles.
It isn't in any way excusable that Charles was having a relationship with a married woman when he proposed to Diana, received love tokens from her whilst they were on honeymoon, and concealed the facts from his future wife.
He did nothing to reassure her or try to understand her insecurities in the face of all that. He just expected her to accept it. She was a naive 19 year old girl who had never had a boyfriend, he was in his thirties. He had all the power, she had none. Diana certainly did not go into the marriage accepting that her husband would inevitably be unfaithful. She believed he loved her and soon realised she was being set up in a scenario that benefitted the RF in every way.

Any woman in those circumstances with little life experience and no support would become anxious, depressed and neurotic even. Her own family gave her no support. Her mother lived at the other end of the country and they never had a close relationship. Her father had remarried to a woman she didn't like. Her sisters turned the other way, one of them was already married to someone who worked in the Royal household so didn't want any fuss. Her brother was still at school I think and obviously had problems of his own. She was a young woman surrounded by much older cronies of her husband's with whom she shared nothing in common. Charles misled her and cheated her of the life she might have had. Can you really blame her for having affairs herself when it became clear that Charles was carrying on again with Camilla and had never loved her in the first place?

I do agree that Harry has learned patterns of behaviour from his mother. He wasn't old enough to fully understand what was going on in her life or understand the past behaviour of either of them when Diana died. So he has put her on a pedestal and worshipped her memory ever since. He seems to have been largely neglected when he most needed support and understanding, and doesn't seem to be very intelligent. He's being influenced by someone equally damaged it seems, and the two of them egg each other on in the victim stakes. Neither has any self awareness or empathy .

Spot on Macavity

This doesn’t mean though that Meghan did not encounter elements of racism within the RF sadly

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42462724.amp

This doesn’t mean though that Meghan did not encounter elements of racism within the RF sadly

What's that got to do with agreeing that it's liberating on MUMSNET not to have to deal with racism accusations at any criticism of H&M.?

We don't actually know whether Charles tried or didn't try to support his young wife. Maybe he did to begin with? Maybe he found her too complex and difficult a character to cope with? He doesn't strike me as someone who would have the skills necessary to deal with so much emotion.

It was just a mismatch. They should never have married each other. The RF was putting pressure on Charles to produce an heir. Speculation on his love life was mad! There probably weren't that many suitable virgins for him to choose from either!

At least the next generation (and even Charles's siblings) made love matches without any external influence, but then Charles was the heir, the one that mattered most.

And yes, I do blame her for playing the victim when she was having numerous affairs - Charles was having one and I know of course it must have been very hurtful - but that doesn't excuse her pursuit of married men!

I don't think Princess Michael is any yardstick for the rest of the RF!

Oh I totally agree that Harry is Charles’s son. We looks more like his dad than William does. But there are still rumours to this day.

I disagree about Diana being surprised that Charles was unfaithful. She grew up in the exact same circles and I would be amazed if she didn’t know Royals have affairs like any bodies

Yes her own family were awful but she had several affairs sometimes with married men and yes I do blame her. They were badly matched but why people blindly swallow that Charles was the bad guy is beyond me

It was rumoured that William was a favourite and something of a crutch of Diana’s. She once told a story about how she was having a nervous breakdown locked in her room and he had to pass her notes underneath the door to check she was OK. He was 11 IIRC. I have an 11yo who would be deeply, deeply upset and damaged if this happened to her. Diana told this story as part of her “I’m such a victim look what Charles pushed me and William to” rhetoric and I wonder if she realised that actually SHE was the one damaging her child.

I also wondered at the time (I’m around the same age as William) what the boys thought of her airing her dirty laundry to Martin Bashir about her marriage. I remember thinking how mortified they must be and what their friends and schoolmates would be saying to them.

Diana did a lot of good but like Harry her damaging and selfish behaviour always seemed to trump the feelings of literally anybody else

They do.

Very much.

Yes, I remember that one - there's an interesting piece here which mentions it:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/07/traitor-king-edward-viii-interview

@YaMuvva it's amazing that William has turned out apparently so well given what he had to deal with at such a young age.