Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

Is that supposed to be a reliable source of news?

What is Meghan boycotting the Invictus ceremony?

First point - you think Invictus does not matter. You are entitled to that opinion, I disagree.

Second point - When deciding on a bid all pre events matter. If you have ever worked in business you would understand this.

Third point - Soft diplomacy is showing that the Royal Family support Invictus despite personal rifts. It would reassure the committee who makes the decision that if Invictus was hosted in England it would not be over shadowed by a potential boycott by the Royal Family.

Of course they aren’t boycotting it. The amount the RF do with the AF is immense.
The Invictus games have their own page with Harry on the RF website.

@AssignedUnimportantAtBirth This is diversionary tactics 101. You say what I post is not true and ask for links. I post links to two sources of media.
You then rubbish those sources.
You then bring in a strawman that is totally unrelated to what we were discussing.

You are not discussing this in good faith. You clearly are uninterested in Invictus and the veterans it supports. Your aim is purely to attack Harry and Meghan.

No one is saying Invinctus doesn't matter. It does.
But it's no more important than any other major Charity event.
Not all of them have the King or POW involved with them.
Invictus is Harry's baby, if Invinctus so desperately needs the RF to take over as figure heads then it's in trouble.
If the UK Govt, MoD and MPs etc are working to bring the games here then that's great.
The RF won't make or break the bid.

The website is instructive. The last time it was updated was in 2018 when Harry was still a working member of the Royal Family. There is no mention of last years Invictus games in Germany.
They clearly do not support Invictus now if they can not even be bothered to update a website.

The sources you linked to base the stories on unnamed sources.
Nowhere has anyone from either the Palace or the Sussexes made a comment.
It's not even credited to a 'spokesperson', it's an unnamed "socialite". Not even anyone linked to Invinctus, or the AF.
As the RF haven't attended an Invinctus events for at least the past 5yrs I fail to see why their attendance or not is really an issue?

@MrsFinkelstein If the Royal Family can not support a bid that supports disabled veterans then I do not see the point of them. Any decent Head of State would support the bid in any way they could.

Where did I say Invictus doesn't matter?

If one service in a run up of 3 years to the next games is the game changer for the event not coming to the UK, then it's not much of a bid on the part of Birmingham and the MPs involved, and the committee isn't particularly sensible, is it, given Birmingham ticks every single box one could possibly want ticking for putting on a sporting tournament. Why do you think that's more damaging and would sway the committee against Birmingham than, say, the slaughter of thousands of Christians in Nigeria and their disgusting attitude to homosexuality?

Why would the committee making the decision think their event is so poor that it could be overshadowed by the a non-presence of other royals, when the main royal involved, Harry, will be there, and presumably his wife too? Unless her current "boycott" of the UK continues, which I would have thought would be more damaging.

@MrsFinkelstein you claimed the Royal Family were not invited but could not provide a single link to any media stating that.
Sources is a commonly used term. I do not always believe it, but given any media denials to the contrary I am more likely to believe it.
No one expects the Royal Family to travel abroad to attend Invictus games.
This is about supporting a bid to host it in England. Very different.

However, if the survival of the Invinctus Games is solely dependent on the involvement of any of the current Senior Royals, then that would be OK by me.

Who plans to tell Harry he isn't good enough and needs to step aside to let his big brother and his Dad help out?

It's certainly an interesting twist on the usual criticisms of the RF and the praise Harry gets for his (well deserved) work with IG.

OK, @SluggyMuggy . When was the invitation issued? How was it issued? Through official channels, from the Invictus committee or over the telephone by Harry himself? What were the working royals supposed to be doing at the service?

Where are your links proving they were invited and turned the invite down? And no OK celebrity news is not good enough. There has be no announcements from Invictus, Harry or the Royals, you are getting het up over something you know absolutely nothing about.

Can you point out where I said they had not been invited?

I asked for proof they had been invited.

No one has, as yet, provided it.

Quite a few of us have asked but nothing ! I was accused of gaslighting …..

@AssignedUnimportantAtBirth Why is it important if the Royal Family do not attend?
The only thing I can see that might make England's bid fail is if there appears to be no support from the Royal Family because they do not want to support anything Harry is involved in. If that continues and England did host Invictus then the Royal Family staying away could fill media and social media chatter for many weeks and overshadow the athletes.
There would be fights on social media between those who thought the Royal Family were right to stay away and those who thought they were wrong.
If I was on the committee I would want an assurance that the Royal Family would support Invictus and would do what they can to dampen any of this chatter down. So the focus can be on the veterans. England is good at supporting disabled athletes and the public would I think be interested.

Here's my original post.

Nowhere do I claim they were or weren't invited.

I was simply making a point that no one can boycott an event that they weren't invited to.

Where did I say they weren't invited?

@MrsFinkelstein You know as well as I do that there will be no official press release from the palace saying Harry invited Charles and William to the Invictus service and we ignored the invite.
I have posted links to media that do say this. Believe it or disbelieve it, I frankly do not care.
But I do believe it. Because if they had not been invited it would have been leaked and the Harry and Meghan haters would have been talking about it for days.
But you do you.

The only thing that overshadows the veterans is Meghan’s fashion parade.

What’s so awful about the RF not attending?
Were they invited even?
Invictus was always Harry’s. Why would having them there change anything? Surely having RF members there would take the spotlight off Harry 🤷‍♀️

So it’s all in your head then @SluggyMuggy

In what way were the veterans the focus of the Dusseldorf games? Or the focus of the visit to Canada recently? Why on earth do you think the presence of a working royal will dampen down chatter about the rifts in the RF? Why do you think the press will be focusing on veterans? When have they ever done this? When they will more likely be looking at and writing about how the RF members are interacting and what they are wearing. How naive can you be?

It is clear none of you are interested in having a proper discussion about this.
But trust me, I am not the only person out there side eyeing how the Royal Family are acting over Invictus.

Please do send someone along who can answer some questions.

Look, Royal events are planned a long time in advance. Why should Charles reschedule 8000 people? Why should William cancel an investiture? There are many other organizations that support veterans, both in the US and the UK. There are hospitals, at least, in the US, geared for the military. All these organizations have fundraisers. Not everyone can go to all of them. It's just part of life.