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The royal family

Guess who's back?

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DrJoanAllenby · 07/05/2024 13:26

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

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MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 15:04

@Sageandparsley7654

I'm sure the RF really don't expect your respect, you're under no obligation to respect anyone. They wear the medals they are entitled to wear and the unforms of their Honorary positions. IMO they wear the uniforms when appropriate to represent and honour these regiments. You are well within your rights to disagree.

Wealth and privilege is not limited to the BRF. Inequality in education and in the Armed Forces is endemic worldwide. You only have to look at the scandal in the US over celebs buying Ivy League places for their children.

It's your opinion that being a Republic would end this unfairness. I disagree.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:08

@MrsFinkelstein They could at least honour veterans, and not just when it suits them. It is disgraceful that not one of them attended the Invinctus service today.

Sillystrumpet · 08/05/2024 15:10

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:02

I agree with this But what I particularly object to is the Royal Family failure to support Invictus and its veterans, whilst parading around in military uniforms and medals.
Alongside supporters of the Royal Family who are keen to have a go at Invictus and by extension the veterans who take part.
It is quite clear none of them care at all about Invictus or the veterans who take part.
And as I said I do feel sorry for Cleverley who has served and has been working hard to try and bring Invictus to England and is having his efforts undermined.
It really is a culture of lets bash Harry and Meghan and who cares what other casualties this creates in its wake.

The Royal family not only supported invictus, they started it, Harry was a working royal at the time, and if you think for one moment he got that started and organised it on his own, you would be sadly mistaken.

he took it with him when he left, as I am sure you know full well, hence why the royal family is no longer involved. The royals do a lot for the military and veterans, inc starting invictus.

Sageandparsley7654 · 08/05/2024 15:12

MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 15:04

@Sageandparsley7654

I'm sure the RF really don't expect your respect, you're under no obligation to respect anyone. They wear the medals they are entitled to wear and the unforms of their Honorary positions. IMO they wear the uniforms when appropriate to represent and honour these regiments. You are well within your rights to disagree.

Wealth and privilege is not limited to the BRF. Inequality in education and in the Armed Forces is endemic worldwide. You only have to look at the scandal in the US over celebs buying Ivy League places for their children.

It's your opinion that being a Republic would end this unfairness. I disagree.

Absolutely agree that inequality, wealth and privilege is not limited to BRF but as an important institution at the heart of the UK establishment, they are shoreing it up.

We will have to disagree about what medals they are “entitled” to wear.

And no I don’t have to respect the RF, especially on a military occasion, because I have enough respect for the rank and file alone. We can all honour these regiments as they stand without any members of the RF in attendance who are superfluous to requirements.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:12

Harry founded Invictus with the help of staff.
Just as Charles founded the Princes Trust with the help of staff.
Both do good work. Both should be supported.

Janiie · 08/05/2024 15:14

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:08

@MrsFinkelstein They could at least honour veterans, and not just when it suits them. It is disgraceful that not one of them attended the Invinctus service today.

Disgraceful that Harry has made it all about him. If they went they'd be stealing his thunder. We know the rf support vets, the fact that they haven't attended Harry's thing today is irrelevant.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:16

@Janiie It is people on here and similar making Invictus about Harry
The Royal Family are boycotting the Invictus service today as part of their boycott of Harry. It is petty and unprofessional.
No one in proper jobs would be allowed to behave in this petty manner.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:17

What we need is a professional Head of State like Ireland has. Someone appointed based on merit who will behave professionally in their job.

ajandjjmum · 08/05/2024 15:17

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:12

Harry founded Invictus with the help of staff.
Just as Charles founded the Princes Trust with the help of staff.
Both do good work. Both should be supported.

Together with his brother and SIL, and the support of their father. Didn't William donate his £1M damages to Invictus from the newspaper hacking?

The RF have only backed away from Invictus since H & M disappeared, and they agreed it should go with Harry.

Needanewname42 · 08/05/2024 15:19

Andrew and Harry served the longest. Andrew 22years Harry 10years.
Does the story not go that Harry didn't pass the exams to go higher or something so he was offered a desk job or leave?
Which means Andrew probably did get to the level he got to on his own merit.

Ann started as a working Royal at 18.
Charles mid 20s
To be fair the Queen at the time probably felt she needed their support to carry some of the roles needed.

William was fortunate to get to have a huge chunk of time in the army and then only part-time Royal under he was about 35. Partly facilitated by his Gran.

I doubt George will be afforded that luxury.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 15:22

They could at least honour veterans, and not just when it suits them. It is disgraceful that not one of them attended the Invinctus service today

They do, @SluggyMuggy; as mentioned Invictus isn't the only military charity, and the late Queen was the patron of SSAFA (don't know if they've replaced her with Charles yet) and Prince Michael of Kent their president

FWIW I do agree it would have been nice if one of them attended St Paul's today, but can't help wondering how that would be received by Harry.
Who knows if he'd be pleased, or if it would lead to whining about them interfering with what's supposed to be "his" - even though it was set up under the banner of the Royal Foundation in the first place?

Inkanta · 08/05/2024 15:22

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:16

@Janiie It is people on here and similar making Invictus about Harry
The Royal Family are boycotting the Invictus service today as part of their boycott of Harry. It is petty and unprofessional.
No one in proper jobs would be allowed to behave in this petty manner.

Yes agree SluggyMuggy - very petty and immature if that"s the case!

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:23

The Invictus Games were founded by Prince Harry, the Ministry of Defense, and with the assistance of Sir Keith Mills. The inspiration came from Prince Harry's 2013 visit to the Warrior Games in the United States, where he witnessed the ability of sport to help both psychologically and physically.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:24

If William had founded Invictus you would be all over it, saying how wonderful it is and condemning Meghan for not attending.
But because Harry founded Invictus it must be attacked.
I honestly despair at people. At how they behave.

IcedPurple · 08/05/2024 15:24

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 14:56

@MrsFinkelstein Apologies. You are right. It is members of the Royal household that sit on Ravec, not members of the Royal Family. So it has included the King's Private Secretary, and Senior Aide to Prince William. And these non-security people have equal standing in any decision making as the police representatives on Ravec.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sunday-telegraph/20221016/281586654510029

To repeat, Justice Lane in his ruling comprehensively dismissed all of Harry's complaints about the membership and conduct of RAVEC. And RAVEC have an excellent record in keeping those under its purview safe.

What exactly is the problem here? Because I'm not seeing one.

Sageandparsley7654 · 08/05/2024 15:27

Janiie · 08/05/2024 15:14

Disgraceful that Harry has made it all about him. If they went they'd be stealing his thunder. We know the rf support vets, the fact that they haven't attended Harry's thing today is irrelevant.

Harry hasn’t made it all about him. It’s the press that has done that.

Jujubeez · 08/05/2024 15:30

ajandjjmum · 07/05/2024 19:18

I suspect that the King would have seen him, but Harry was demanding a one to one, and no-one will see him alone.

I read today that the King and the Wales family are very aware of the impact that stress has on the body, and feel that the way H & M have behaved may have contributed to the current ill health of the King and Catherine.

FFS H is not the cause of or contributor to their cancer.

shenandoahvalley · 08/05/2024 15:32

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:02

I agree with this But what I particularly object to is the Royal Family failure to support Invictus and its veterans, whilst parading around in military uniforms and medals.
Alongside supporters of the Royal Family who are keen to have a go at Invictus and by extension the veterans who take part.
It is quite clear none of them care at all about Invictus or the veterans who take part.
And as I said I do feel sorry for Cleverley who has served and has been working hard to try and bring Invictus to England and is having his efforts undermined.
It really is a culture of lets bash Harry and Meghan and who cares what other casualties this creates in its wake.

I agree with @Sageandparsley7654's long post, AND I have little beyond disdain for Harry and Meghan. I'm only (very, admittedly) interested in this whole saga because of the light it sheds on the relationships between (1) the British public (2) the royal family (3) the media (4) American celebrity world (5) the British judicial system. These levers of power are really important, to me, and I want to understand who is whose bitch, basically. My conclusion so far is that it's a complex matrix, and they're all in the gutter to varying degrees.

That said, re "It really is a culture of lets bash Harry and Meghan and who cares what other casualties this creates in its wake": I understand the point that the collateral damage to veterans doing their thing sincerely is unwelcome. My conclusion, however, isn't "let's not bash Harry & Meghan because of said collateral damage". It's IG needs to choose its patron more carefully, because it's a worthwhile organisation that can do better than these two people who are using it to further their own agenda. I do think Harry had and still has some sincerity re IG, but because of his actions outside of IG he's obliged to convert his contribution from a altruistic passion project into an income-generating gig. And, his wife's involvement only muddies the waters as she has zero standing to contribute beyond being his wife (which, in the real world, means zero standing full stop) and yet she benefits from publicity and that she doesn't have to pay for. Without IG she'd have nothing beyond appearing next to him at the polo, jam and the odd pap walk (totally fine by me, but apparently not so by her). It's not ok, and IG needs to end this or they'll end up being Harry's and Meghan's victim.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 15:37

It is people on here and similar making Invictus about Harry

It's true we're commenting on his own words and behaviour, but AFAIK nobody was forcing him to draw attention to not meeting Charles ... or to yammer on about seeing the late Queen "had the right people around her" ... or that they "talk about things that she can't talk about with anybody else" ... or to litter Heart of Invictus with anecdotes about himself and so on and so on

All some of us want is for him to focus on the needs of others occasionally instead of only his own , but sadly it seems beyond him

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 15:43

Very well put as usual, @shenandoahvalley, especially this:
"I understand the point that the collateral damage to veterans doing their thing sincerely is unwelcome. My conclusion, however, isn't "let's not bash Harry & Meghan because of said collateral damage". It's IG needs to choose its patron more carefully, because it's a worthwhile organisation that can do better than these two people who are using it to further their own agenda"

It honestly is beginning to seem that Harry either can't help himself or doesn't want to, and since this involves a genuinely worthwhile organisation it's hard not to wonder if they wouldn't do better with someone else

MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 15:44

Sageandparsley7654 · 08/05/2024 15:02

And everyone believes of course that the rules would or could not be changed in an instant should do eone senior enough in the RF suddenly deem it necessary.

Considering the Queen had no impact on RAVECs decision making process, then which more Senior Royal do you think they would listen to?

MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 15:47

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 15:08

@MrsFinkelstein They could at least honour veterans, and not just when it suits them. It is disgraceful that not one of them attended the Invinctus service today.

Invictus was set up in a joint effort between the Royal Foundation, the MOD and the Govt.

William was asked to "front" it initially, he deferred it onto Harry.

William & Charles attended the games several times prior to 2018.

How well received would it have been for them to overshadow what is now seen solely as Harry's venture?

BemusedAmerican · 08/05/2024 15:51

@SluggyMuggy I'm confused. William is working down in Cornwall and Devon, where he is Duke. Charles is also working. It was agreed that Invictus was Harry's charity so there is no need for them to attend. At least they aren't showing up 5 hours late after skiing (making the participants sit around until midnight). You should be happy they are working.

Also, since there seems to be ,concerns about the Invictus finances, it is best that the RF distance themselves.

My recollection was that William gave the $1 million to his foundation.

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 16:04

@MrsFinkelstein can you provide a link saying that William was asked to front Invictus. I have never read that. Everything I have ever read says Harry founded Invictus.

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